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6 Dec 2018, 22:22 (Ref:3868389) | #6126 | ||
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Just wondering.
Ok, they have the new regulations. But there just one year and a half remains untill those cars should be running and.... Just one team/constructor confirmed that they will be in. If I were the ACO I would start to be a little bit worried, I mean, 1 year and a half is almost no time. |
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6 Dec 2018, 22:53 (Ref:3868398) | #6127 | ||
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Hope you are all well. We are very happy with the rules. We look forward to being there and offering road legal examples of our "Hypercar LMP1". Best Jim" -Posted by James Glickenhaus on Racer.com; https://racer.com/2018/12/05/fia-app...r-regulations/ So the one committed manufacturer is still committed, at least - nothing in the finalized rules scared them off. Now it's just a matter of putting it all together. |
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6 Dec 2018, 22:56 (Ref:3868399) | #6128 | |
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I think it's safe to say Toyota isn't going anywhere but Le Mans. So 2 manufacturers to start isn't bad, and there's reason to believe there might be more in the second year.
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6 Dec 2018, 23:11 (Ref:3868403) | #6129 | |
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If we count the Glickenhaus LMGTP team as road car manufacturer, we might just as well have said the same for Ginetta LMP1 this year. So in that regard we already had two manufacturers at the start of this "emergency season"
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6 Dec 2018, 23:39 (Ref:3868406) | #6130 | |
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Don’t like the idea of success ballast. Prototypes have always been about the best winning. At least they are not doing it for LM
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6 Dec 2018, 23:53 (Ref:3868410) | #6131 | |
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You're right, I should have said entrants.
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7 Dec 2018, 00:46 (Ref:3868416) | #6132 | ||
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There has to be additional entrants that we are not aware of or this path doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem like something a large manufacturer would be interested in and, as cool as they are, why would you "hang your hat" on boutique manufacturers?
I'm hoping for the best so let's see what happens. |
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Yes, i agree it is good they aren't doing it for Le Mans, but why have a championship where you run to a set of rules and then toss them for the last round? I guess it is the ACO/FIA's way to make sure there are more cars potentially in the running for the championship when the last round comes up?
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7 Dec 2018, 05:18 (Ref:3868457) | #6134 | |
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Full season cars run 0 ballast in the last race of the season for Super GT as well, it's more an issue of not having your finale kneecapped by contenders carrying too much ballast to be competitive.
As well in WEC you get extra points for the longer races, so even if it wasn't Le Mans specifically people would be throwing the preceding 6 hour race to run lighter. Although in the current schedule you'd still be looking at Shanghai that way because Sebring has extra points. |
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7 Dec 2018, 13:18 (Ref:3868537) | #6136 | ||
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Conditions: - At least 25 identical series production car homologated for road use equipped with this exact same MGU-K are produced by the end of the year of the first season this engine is competing in. - At least 100 identical series production car homologated for road use equipped with this exact same MGU-K are produced by the end of the year of the second season this exact same MGU-K is competing in. The exception: The use of two MGU-K of the make connected each to one side of the front drivetrain is authorised. The rotational speed of the MGU-K of the make is free. The laminate thickness of the MGU-K of the make is free. The MGU-K of the make is not subject to Article 5.19 (Materials and construction – Energy recovery, storage systems and electronic systems) MGU-K must be in conformity: • either with the rules imposed to the MGU-K of the make; • or entirely with the rest of these regulations. Basically if Toyota produces 25 cars of their Super Sport concept, then they can use two separate MGU-K on the front for the first season, but it must be exactly like the one in production car. Last edited by GasperG; 7 Dec 2018 at 13:23. |
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7 Dec 2018, 17:43 (Ref:3868608) | #6137 | ||
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Some clarification about the production requirement:
https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/1...ules-clarified Quote:
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https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...-manufacturer/ “The LMP1 non-hybrid will continue to run, and we will continue to balance [it] with hypercar.” |
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8 Dec 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3868783) | #6143 | |
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How do you figure that?
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9 Dec 2018, 12:57 (Ref:3868936) | #6145 | |
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In 2020-2021 the 'balancing' of old non-hybrids (and non-OEM LMGTPs for that matter) will likely return to pre-2018 privateer levels, as in at most couple of minor tweaks here and there that in the big picture don't matter at all. The only reason they're doing bigger things this season, and the next, is because of the lack of 'show' otherwise present
Anyway as for round-by-round BoP class wide, seeing as we're already going to be carrying success ballast for the non-LM races, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see the category edging ever more towards GTE model |
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9 Dec 2018, 23:43 (Ref:3869057) | #6146 | |
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With success ballast there's no need to bop the cars. Plus the hypercars get the performance window treatment. Seems like they will all be around the same level of performance as each other.
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Of course I hope for the best but I don't have high confidence in them not tinkering, not after what's happened to GT2/GTE and to lesser effect the other categories in the last 10 years |
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10 Dec 2018, 10:08 (Ref:3869123) | #6148 | ||
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So, they have different body shapes that are effective (showy) but not efficient at all. They have engines with mandatory power output - no sense in different types engines in fact. And they have success ballast just to ensure that there are different winners out of different but not efficient cars. I really do not see any point in this type of racing, as autosport has to include technical variety (technical competition, not marketing).
PS I'll watch this only if, let's say, SMP Racing enter a hypercar with, let's say, Auris engine (built by the same Schvabe Munich who produced some components for Porsche V4) - they talked about some racing possibility for that motor (and they have recuperation system too). Maybe not V12 but V8. Of course, it's just an idea, but who knows. |
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