Honda Civic Type-R

BootsOntheSide · 4 Apr 2002, 14:30 (Ref:251805)

Can anyone explain how come Arena are usign this type of car in Touring Class, and Synchro in Production? How much modification would it require to covnert the car?

Speeddemon555 · 4 Apr 2002, 15:25 (Ref:251834)

Well, Arena Touring Honda Civic Type R has wings and wider wheelbase compare to the production Civic Type R has no wings and shorter wheelbase. The Touring Civic Type R has more horsepower to get out of the corners and much faster than the Production Civic Type R. Does this help you?

Eddie_harasym · 4 Apr 2002, 15:27 (Ref:251837)

Have a look at the Rules for the two classes, that should explain all.

kristof14 · 4 Apr 2002, 23:48 (Ref:252288)

apparently there were certain aspects of the type-r that were outside the rules of the BTCC i think they actaully had to reduce the power of the engine!

runnyhunny · 6 Apr 2002, 15:03 (Ref:253526)

Umm... there is no way that an off-the-shelf (road car) 2-litre engine will produce ~275 bhp!!!

Speedworx · 6 Apr 2002, 15:10 (Ref:253540)

Its a great looking car on track. I hope they can get on the podium later in the year.

Jimeth · 6 Apr 2002, 15:54 (Ref:253570)

i think it looks a bit pants really. Its too....blocky :S

**touringlegend** · 6 Apr 2002, 16:36 (Ref:253585)

It's marvellous looking when you see it in person, the road car that is. The Type-R was an exception to BTC-Touring rules because it wasn'y long enough to fit the rules.

runnyhunny · 6 Apr 2002, 17:39 (Ref:253618)

Umm... I don't think so. The Honda Civic Type-R (and Alfa Romeo 147) fits into the current 'BTC Touring' minimum length requirement. The cars can't be too short - it's against the rules!

Apparently, Honda were given special dispensation by the ETCC organisers to allow the Civic to race in Europe (but ONLY if they raced the new Accord in 2003) despite the 4.2m minimum length. As it happens, Honda are no longer entering a works team in the ETCC this year!

**touringlegend** · 6 Apr 2002, 18:18 (Ref:253638)

99% sure they did have to alter the rules specifically for Honda...

Speedworx · 6 Apr 2002, 18:39 (Ref:253652)

Rules should be bent to allow cars in. Otherwise teams would leave if they don't have any competition.

Reido Rules · 6 Apr 2002, 19:06 (Ref:253675)

Special Dispebsation should be given to new teams or teams in trouble to ensure that we have a close and competitive championship. It's worked fine in the DTM.

But Honda's rule break was in the ETCC, not the BTCC.

Jimeth · 7 Apr 2002, 12:43 (Ref:254072)

"Rules are made to be broken"

a lie i know but its a phrase you hear a lot!

100% honda fa · 8 Apr 2002, 09:49 (Ref:254653)

has any one got any pics of eather them

racer69 · 8 Apr 2002, 10:36 (Ref:254681)

I've only seen a pic in Autosport, and i think the car looked pretty awful, but that's only from one pic, so i'll reserve my judgement.

As far as BTC Touring rules, i thought the minimum length was 4.1 metre's, so how long is a production Honda Civic.

runnyhunny · 8 Apr 2002, 11:20 (Ref:254726)

The minimum length of a 'BTC Touring' car is a few inches more than a 3-door Alfa Romeo 147!

Note that this was set in stone before JSM decided to enter!

You can probably find out the lengths of various cars from the manufacturers' web sites.

The 'Super Touring' minimum length is 4.2m (and applied between 1993-2000 in the BTCC).

redshoes · 8 Apr 2002, 19:12 (Ref:255040)

Quote:

Originally posted by 100% honda fa
has any one got any pics of eather them

Touring

redshoes · 8 Apr 2002, 19:12 (Ref:255042)

Production

Sherman · 8 Apr 2002, 22:56 (Ref:255179)

Why does the production car appear to have so much more camber on the tyres than touring? Surely if it gives advantage to production, the tourer would also try it?

**touringlegend** · 8 Apr 2002, 23:04 (Ref:255186)

Not entirely sure, perhaps something to do with the Production cars being less technical than the Tourers ? the BMW 320i has a lot of camber, or at least it did in ETCC last year.

Sherman · 8 Apr 2002, 23:23 (Ref:255195)

Half the right side wheels are off the ground! Thats impressive. Maybe the tourers cant do that, what with the body panneling an' all

**touringlegend** · 9 Apr 2002, 16:00 (Ref:255733)

Aha, I've maybe got it!
Right just tell me if I've lost you...

The Production Class cars roll going round corners, while the Touring Class cars I think maybe have a stiffer set up and don't roll as much.
So when the Production cars roll in the corners, the wheel moves to horizontal, hence giving you more tread touching the ground going round the corners.

kristof14 · 9 Apr 2002, 17:08 (Ref:255780)

thats probably right as the tourers probably run lower to the ground thus giving them a lower centre of gravity and less roll than the production cars!

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