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17 Oct 2010, 22:13 (Ref:2776343)
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I think the positioning of the Joker at Lydden is woeful, it encourgaes drivers to chop across and really tehre should be a much longer crossover line into Chessons rather than before,l otherwise pretty soon you are going to have someone go up that bank on the inside at upwards of 80 odd mph.
I realise there isn't really anywhere else to put it, but Lyddens is perhaps the worst one! |
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18 Oct 2010, 11:05 (Ref:2776590)
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If the joker lap is solely to stop first corner contact, then why are tracks like Nyirad, Essay, Buxtehude, Maasmachelen, Sosnova, Poland, Kerlabo, Finland (and many others I am sure) allowed to put them after the first corner? Anyone who has been to Hungary will tell you that first corner bunching happens in about 50% of races.
I am 100% split of joker laps. I hate it when a slower car gets in front of a quicker car on a track that you cannot pass on (Essay). It's a great spectacle for a lap or two, then the quick car gets frustrated and punts the slow one off. Agree that sterner stewarding would stop this, but then we'd get no overtaking. Some tracks don't need them, like Lydden, cos they are open and flowing and accomodate overtaking. Lydden is also a very big track (1 mile versus 1km) so 5 cars looks "thin" at the best of times. Some tracks do, like Maasmachelen, but then you get split races. But then on a smaller track, this doesnt look so bad. As has been said before, joker lap should NEVER be used in the finals. |
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18 Oct 2010, 11:44 (Ref:2776605)
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Not a fan of the joker, it just takes away from the racing for me. Drivers use the joker to over take, a bit like pit stops in F1. If we have to suffer them, then at least drop them from the finals.
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18 Oct 2010, 18:36 (Ref:2776788)
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In the last 40 years did we need joker laps no why? the cars and drivers did the work ,so why do we need them after all this time ,fia have put to many rules in ,like most motorsport they have medaled with.
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18 Oct 2010, 21:46 (Ref:2776874)
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For me, get rid of grooved tyres and allow cutting (someone like Silverstone or Kumho would glady supply slicks), free up the diff rules a bit to make the cars a bit more oversteery rather than the push on wagons they are now (watch any of the guys on board to see them constantly jabbing the handbrake to get the rear round) and maybe also force the track builders to use shale and loose on the loose sections instead of concrete and broken tarmac swept over with a bit of shale that gets pushed away after practice.
I dont mind the joker lap at all, all these puristsare living in the dark ages! Every form of motorsport needs a bump up now and again and I think it adds something aswell as takes things away/ All pretty even for me |
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19 Oct 2010, 15:46 (Ref:2777129)
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19 Oct 2010, 18:58 (Ref:2777198)
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can we have a bit of driver input into this
if you watch incar with the supercars it looks so calm in there like said plenty of handbrake very wrc to me ,the older cars are how it should be more driver input ,if they change tyres to less grip all i can see is bags of understeer then loads of hand brake to correct it ,what i think i we alll want to see is mk2 escort style driving |
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21 Oct 2010, 21:18 (Ref:2778109)
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23 Oct 2010, 11:16 (Ref:2778876)
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Sorry to harp on about the joker thing but when it was first introduced I thought it was to 'spice up' the racing, nothing to do with first corner damage, if this was the case then as Hickey says why put them elsewhere on the track? If its to allow a quicker car to pass someone whos 'holding him up' then why the 2 second difference, make the joker section the same length, if hes so much quicker then he will pass him but at the same time keeping all the cars pretty much together. And as I have said many a time no joker in the final, the races are longer and the cars should all be of much the same speed, lets see them race!
Interestingly the new Essay joker section was so popular with the drivers they now want to make that part the normal lap and the old section (the shorter route) the joker lap. Cant see them being allowed to do that in the ERC and not sure it would make the racing any better or less predictable than other ERC events. Infact I could see everyone except maybe the guy at the back taking it on the first lap so as not to lose track position to the car behind, actually that would then mean we have proper racing so maybe not a bad idea after all! |
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