Premat

Langers · 11 Oct 2012, 05:24 (Ref:3149742)

http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/10/11/...or-gold-coast/

Reckon Garry Rogers will keep Premat around for COTF or is this the beginning of the end?

**GTRMagic** · 11 Oct 2012, 05:29 (Ref:3149743)

So... is the Premat experiment over?

Reload · 11 Oct 2012, 05:33 (Ref:3149745)

Seems like Rogers was expecting more than many others were.
Didn't seem unreasonable that Premat's first year was about learning the tracks and the car and if he didn't perform next year then off you go, but this seems a little hasty if it appears as what it looks like.

Peat · 11 Oct 2012, 05:36 (Ref:3149746)

I was suprised when i heard he was racing down under (only a few weeks ago as it happens) and i was even more suprised that he had such mediocre results.

Anyone know what the guff is? He's been handy in everything he's driven in the past.

Axeman444 · 11 Oct 2012, 06:16 (Ref:3149749)

seems doubtful we will see Premat at GRM

rich07 · 11 Oct 2012, 06:16 (Ref:3149751)

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Originally Posted by Peat

I was suprised when i heard he was racing down under (only a few weeks ago as it happens) and i was even more suprised that he had such mediocre results.

Anyone know what the guff is? He's been handy in everything he's driven in the past.

A V8 Supercar is very different to drive then the DTM, LMP and open wheelers that he has raced in the past. A very different kettle of fish. It would take time to adjust and also to learn all of the Australian tracks that he has never raced on before..

Premat's certainly a talented driver, no doubt about that but I didnt expect much from him this year for all those reasons above. The COTF is supposed to be more 'European' so maybe thats where his talents can really be shown off in V8 Supercars.

I dont think this is a good move by Gary Rogers. How else is he supposed to get miles in the car and knowledge of the tracks if Premat is being replaced like this?

Average Punter · 11 Oct 2012, 06:19 (Ref:3149753)

Either that or Garry is trying to wind Alex up by "ignoring" him for a little while.

Hope it doesn't get lost in the translation....

rich07 · 11 Oct 2012, 06:28 (Ref:3149754)

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Originally Posted by Average Punter

Either that or Garry is trying to wind Alex up by "ignoring" him for a little while.

Hope it doesn't get lost in the translation....

Im sure Premat could get a ride somewhere else in the world (sportscars?) so thats probably not the best of ideas..How badly does Premat want to race V8s?

I think it shows a lack of patience and faith in the driver to pull him from a race before seasons end. I wonder what the sponsors think....

Umai Naa · 11 Oct 2012, 06:59 (Ref:3149767)

I doubt he'll be back in the car again this year.

Mr Rogers doesn't take kindly to underperformers.

TSR · 11 Oct 2012, 08:10 (Ref:3149800)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I doubt he'll be back in the car again this year.

Mr Rogers doesn't take kindly to underperformers.

On Speedcafe it says he will be back in the car for Abu Dahbi race and the rest of the season.

Mixer · 11 Oct 2012, 08:21 (Ref:3149805)

Alarm bells rang for me when Jack was hastily put in to qualify the car. Jack did seem to outpace Alex solidly in the other sessions but for quali you really need race fitness.

I really thought Alex should have had a chance to show his craft this race.

I guess many have been dropped mid-season by Garry, including one J. Whincup...

Mixer · 11 Oct 2012, 08:26 (Ref:3149807)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

seems doubtful we will see Premat at GRM

With McLaughlin on the hunt and perhaps Premat on the outer, could this be a pairing?

Given COTF is coming and its a reset button for all, with a more GT-like car, Alex would have to be a dark horse for next year, which makes the current situation all the more interesting.

xrystl · 11 Oct 2012, 09:29 (Ref:3149841)

GR is no fool - I bet he knows what he's doing , he hasn't made many mistakes over the years with his choice of drivers.

david5 · 11 Oct 2012, 09:32 (Ref:3149845)

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Originally Posted by xrystl

GR is no fool - I bet he knows what he's doing , he hasn't made many mistakes over the years with his choice of drivers.

I can think of one, off the top of my head, won a race up the bush last weekend.

**GTRMagic** · 11 Oct 2012, 09:34 (Ref:3149846)

As I understand it, GoDaddy.com shall be joining GRM on the Gold Coast as a sponsor partner, coming with their drop in international pilots

What might be interesting to understand is whether the change in #33 is related to such things, to try and get the car more towards its potential, to get this sponsor onboard full time..

With the choice of qualifying & starting driver at Bathurst in Mr Perkins, I kinda half expected him to be the chosen pilot for Indy...

peckstar · 11 Oct 2012, 09:35 (Ref:3149848)

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Originally Posted by xrystl

GR is no fool - I bet he knows what he's doing , he hasn't made many mistakes over the years with his choice of drivers.

he sacked jamie whincup

JoyRide · 11 Oct 2012, 11:26 (Ref:3149893)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

As I understand it, GoDaddy.com shall be joining GRM on the Gold Coast as a sponsor partner, coming with their drop in international pilots

What might be interesting to understand is whether the change in #33 is related to such things, to try and get the car more towards its potential, to get this sponsor onboard full time..

With the choice of qualifying & starting driver at Bathurst in Mr Perkins, I kinda half expected him to be the chosen pilot for Indy...

so did I - unless Rittler has more sponsorship $$$$$

Jack never seem to be able to find enough since he had to pull out the first time with the Kelly's

nafe! · 11 Oct 2012, 11:29 (Ref:3149897)

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Originally Posted by david5

I can think of one, off the top of my head, won a race up the bush last weekend.

The guy who finished second in the same race also had a very tough time of it at GRM.

I think the issue is that the GRM culture is a difficult work environment unless your part of the same mentality and once your on the outer with gary thats it.

From my perspective this ends the relationship completely, i doubt premat will be able to perform for the team now that the trust between the two has been severed completely. To be honest i didnt think he had done that badly for most of the year.

And unless something else is going on to justify this grm may have just lost a steerer who in next years cars could have been pretty handy.

AussieTimmeh · 11 Oct 2012, 11:31 (Ref:3149901)

Must be a slap-in-the-face to drop him for the round that includes international drivers, one that Premat may have enjoyed the most.

Umai Naa · 11 Oct 2012, 12:02 (Ref:3149914)

Paradoxically, it could've been a round to avoid.

There are a few debutants to V8SC and the SP circuit, that could very well out-pace Mr Premat. Then what?

Ritter's inclusion suggests that there is merit to the claim that he's an indirect member of the Rogers family. He's an in-law, or something like that.

JoyRide · 11 Oct 2012, 12:02 (Ref:3149915)

maybe thats the intention - a bit of a Rocket when required....

Gary might be difficult but he aint stupid

Mixer · 11 Oct 2012, 12:45 (Ref:3149949)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Ritter's inclusion suggests that there is merit to the claim that he's an indirect member of the Rogers family. He's an in-law, or something like that.

Its odd, I think Ritter has the Canto disease, seem to be very capable enduro driver but patently useless in a sprint round.

Maybe these guys can drive but can't set up a car?

rik · 11 Oct 2012, 13:01 (Ref:3149953)

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Originally Posted by JoyRide

unless Rittler has more sponsorship $$$$$

Jack never seem to be able to find enough since he had to pull out the first time with the Kelly's

Has GRM really become another "rent-a-drive" operation?

While Premat hasn't been impressive, it seems a little mad to dump him after learning most of the circuits before next year in a COTF sports car style chassis that should bring him right up the front?!?!

If there was so little patience, Gary would have been better putting in Perkins or similar at the start of the year!

FAS33 · 11 Oct 2012, 14:06 (Ref:3149983)

poor Premat, what was GRM expecting of him, a top 10 finish every round? it's his first year, surely that should give them a go free card, and either you get results in your 2nd year, and if your not performing your going. too early in the season to let a driver go imo.

JoyRide · 11 Oct 2012, 18:02 (Ref:3150055)

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Originally Posted by rik

Has GRM really become another "rent-a-drive" operation?

While Premat hasn't been impressive, it seems a little mad to dump him after learning most of the circuits before next year in a COTF sports car style chassis that should bring him right up the front?!?!

If there was so little patience, Gary would have been better putting in Perkins or similar at the start of the year!

My point exactly

question is if Jack is better suited why have they gone for Rittler? In today's Motorsport it's the first thing I can come up with

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