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21 Jun 2011, 11:47 (Ref:2902816) | #1 | ||
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FIA Bans Map Changes Between Quali & Race
They REALLY don't seem to want Seb to dominate this year, do they?
http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/52092.html I guess we'll go back to a no tyre changes rule and single lap quali if this doesn't work... |
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21 Jun 2011, 11:53 (Ref:2902822) | #2 | ||
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Can't we just ban Charlie Whiting from messing with the rules mid season instead?
This has been a fantastic season, I can't believe that they want to mess with it. I used to have a lot of respect for Charlie but after the last few weeks, I have very little anymore. |
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21 Jun 2011, 12:18 (Ref:2902840) | #3 | |
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So they don't want the teams to waste fuel?
[SarcasmAlertOn]Maybe they shouldn't have races like Singapore where they waste a gazillion kilowatts more for light around the circuit alone. Though I`d attempt boycotting going to all them Tilkodromes. Should save some fuel as well[SarcasmAlertOff] It is the old game of outbraking fairly too successful teams and drivers. Pretty poor attempts really. |
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You are not allowed to change anything else on the car to change performance once in Parc Ferme, so why should you be allowed to change engine map?
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Agreed - I don't know why this wasn't implimented a few seasons ago..?!
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Meh ill be surprised if it changes the balance that much. If it does and Redbull end up not winning for the rest of the season then that would leave a pretty sour taste.
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It's a lose lose situation isn't it. If it makes a big difference it'll leave a sour taste and if it doesn't what was the point! Why can't they just leave well alone until next season.
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Red Bull not winning would suit me just fine, Ferrari needs to win at all costs!!1
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surely the maps are selectable on the steering wheel anyway? so the "qualifying" map would always be there, as would the "race" maps, "wet" map "the safety car" maps all selectable by the driver, so surely this will have no effect anyway? unless they are planning to prevent the driver from changed the map on the wheel. which could lead to some interesting scenarios "oops i meant to press the drinks button and caught the map knob by accident"
seems like a weird rule to implement that wont have any effect. certainly Autosport were reporting it as if the cars had to have maps downloaded by a laptop to change them. whcih is a bit far of the mark. |
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Whether it is banning off-throttle EBD or changing engine settings between qualifying and race, I maintain there are no rule change here. The FIA has judged these practises to be against the existing rules. From a legal standing point, I think the FIA is right on this one.
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maybe i missed something in the article (or more likely have no idea what they are talking about) but this seems like it will have more of an adverse effect on every team except for Red Bull.
im just guessing but in trying to keep up with Red Bull, the other teams are forced to be more aggressive in qualifying and hence taking more advantage of this specific engine mapping strategy. in fact to me it sounds like something the teams trying to make the 107% cut off would be most willing to do. again this bit of technical talk is lost on me, but would i be correct in saying that this is more of a problem the further back on the grid you go? |
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If the FIA decides to ban this one and it is then found on a car, that would be instant disqualification via the Stewards. The FIA has at least two full-time Software Delegates to keep an eye on this kind of thing. |
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Goldustmini is right here, the maps are changed with a flick of a switch. Even my road car can do this. Last edited by wnut; 21 Jun 2011 at 22:36. |
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It's the same in F1. The drivers can change the maps with the flick of a switch (actually I think it's the twist of a knob) but only between the maps that the FIA has authorized the team to install. If they cross one off the permitted list then the team cannot install it. QED. |
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And for entertainment, we now (maybe) won't have SV disapearing in to the distance during qualifying, but having much less race pace. Might make it a bit more interesting! |
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This remains to be seen. Now the starting grid is even more likely to be ordered to the relative race pace. Hence, the fastest car in the race is more likely to start from pole position. And how are drivers going to overtake a faster one? This is one of the main reasons why I still oppose the post-qualifying parc fermé. I consider this piece of legislation to be against the spirit of motorsport.
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