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Old 1 Dec 2004, 19:44 (Ref:1169258)   #1
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Brands Hatch ( Paddock Hill bend ) alterations (1960's ?)

I was a bit bored last night , So i dug out the 1967 Race of Champions video tape to watch ....and it got me thinking ...

When was Paddock Hill Bend tightened up to make it near the bend and corner that we have today . I know that is was tightened up abit in the 80's ....but watching again the footage of the 1967 F1 race , it looked like they had just made some circuit alterations then ...judging by the amount of mud that was at the circuit edge and spectator banking to Hailwood Hill , by bringing the corner a little bit forward from the sweeping position it had been ?

Its such a superb corner to watch from , i was wondering if anyone could remember much about its history ?..

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Old 1 Dec 2004, 21:58 (Ref:1169393)   #2
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I think you will find Jay that the actual circuit layout has been the same at Paddock since 1976.
The barriers have been moved back several times since but the actual racing surface is in the same place.
The Paddock bend before '76 was not as tight, but more dangerous as there was little run off. The outside edge of the new corner ran where the inside of the old one was so the old track became tarmac run-off. Perhaps in '67 the grass banks were moved back a bit, hence the earthworks?
Around the same time in '76 the bottom straight was re-aligned too, cutting across part of south bank to make way for an inner paddock behind the pits. The old South Bank bend ( now Surtees ) was a very long left hander on the old GP track but much tighter now. It was dangerous too with a vehicle bridge across at the exit for traffic to reach the south bank car park. The race cars would disappear 'into the country' under one bridge and re-appear (as they do now) under the other one before Clearways.
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Old 1 Dec 2004, 22:00 (Ref:1169395)   #3
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In May 67 Paddock was still about 5 feet of run off before the vertical bank. (I should know, I destroyed a Mini bodyshell against it). I dont recall it being changed by 68 BOAC 500 or Brit GP but I wasnt there again for about 16 years.
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Old 5 Dec 2004, 17:28 (Ref:1171458)   #4
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Yes, that bank at paddock was a bit notorious.
I saw gerry Marshal write of a most beautiful racing Elan against it in a winter sprint event late sixties. Took off from the strt line full bore, arrived at Paddock - BANG. Very impressive.
And then David Purley learnt most of the UK circuits by crashing at each corner. Was it an open Cobra that he demolished at Paddock? I think so.
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I think you will find Jay that the actual circuit layout has been the same at Paddock since 1976.
The Paddock bend before '76 was not as tight, but more dangerous as there was little run off. The outside edge of the new corner ran where the inside of the old one was so the old track became tarmac run-off. Perhaps in '67 the grass banks were moved back a bit, hence the earthworks?
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Thanks Andrew , So it wasnt until 1976 then !...

your right , the alterations must have just been for the spectator banking or something like that . The old Paddock Hill bend was even more impressive than the current one , but as Anuauto has said he went off there with 5 ft of run off ...Damm , that must have been a jolt !

Have to say that I love Brands Hatch and the history of it ....

Ive got a great small picture here of Paddock Hill in 1953 ...You can see from this picture of the 1953 Coronation meeting ..that there was only the spectator banking at Paddock , nothing else ...mind you , the cars were going anti - clockwise then , so it wasnt a problem i doubt until , they starting running the other way and approaching at speed fronm the start finish area .

Id love to post it , its a shame i cant work out how to attach it into the post .....Ive just scanned it into my pc as well :confused:

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I was just looking at a movie of Brands 1965 and there is abit of Paddock bend but from the angle it's taken from it is hard to tell the difference
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Excuse the photo quality, but this gives an idea of the old corner in the distance ( Shell Oils advert painted on it) with the new tarmac alongside. Not much run-off at the old Paddock.
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Old 6 Dec 2004, 22:08 (Ref:1172887)   #8
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Still lovely!

As far as I remember,paddock was much the same as it is now except they have taken the bump out at the bottom of the bend,the run off area was virtualy non existant.If you put one wheel on the outer edge you where on the grass and into the bank,or up and through the advertising sign at the top
of the banking,(more than one driver has done that) ,but now you can go over the outer line and still bring the car back,one bend I love and so good if you get it right.

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If you put one wheel on the outer edge you where on the grass and into the bank,or up and through the advertising sign at the top
of the banking,(more than one driver has done that)
Tell me about it Did it in the 60s and it still hurts!
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thanks to Andrew , ive registered with Imageshack ...so hopefully this will work ...

Brands HAtch 1953 CORONATION MEETING -- Paddock Hill Bend



I think if you click this photo , it will enlarge to full size ?

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Oh no they're going the wrong way!!!!

When exactly was it they changed the direction the circuit ran in, it must've been around 53 surely??
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The original 1-mile grasstrack course was tarmaced in 1949. The first meeting took place on April 16th 1950. Racing was anti-clockwise until 1954 when the extension from the Paddock bend area was added to create the Druids loop and then downhill to rejoin the track at Bottom bend. The circuit then stood at 1.24 miles.
The large 'P' shape made up by the rides in the woods to the south of the circuit became the familiar course of the Grand Prix loop extension. The first meeting on the new GP circuit of 2.65 miles was August 1st 1960. An F1 race was held at that meeting (The Silver City Trophy) won by Jack Brabham but an actual F1 world Championship GP did not take place until the European GP on 11th July 1964 won by Jim Clark.
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Infact, that first meeting on the new GP circuit on August 1st 1960 was a high quality meeting looking at the winners!
F1 ( The Silver City Trophy) Jack Brabham Cooper T53-Climax
GT ( The Wrotham Trophy) Jack Sears Aston Martin DB4GT
FJ ( The John Davy Trophy) Jim Clark Lotus 18
Sportscars ( The Raffles Club Trophy) Roy Salvadori Cooper-Monaco T49
Saloons ( The Kingsdown Trophy) Roy Salvadori Jaguar 3.8
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Old 8 Dec 2004, 12:06 (Ref:1174269)   #14
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Here is a photo of workmen erecting the fencing at PAddock Hill Bend as Stan Coldham "tests" the circuit in February 1950

Again , he is driving UP paddock , not down as we know it today .

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Andrew, was the Salvadori Jaguar BUY 1 now raced by Grant Williams so effectively?
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