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Old 23 Oct 2019, 10:34 (Ref:3936371)   #1
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At Paul Ricard the two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
Is there an alternative front running car

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Old 23 Oct 2019, 10:54 (Ref:3936373)   #2
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The two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
Is there an alternative front running car
You do sometimes get a Bizzarini 5300 GT that races in 60s and can mix up at the front. Also a well driven Mustang GT350 could possibly aswell.

Apart from a Ferrari GTO thats it.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 13:01 (Ref:3936386)   #3
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The two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
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Not really. There is a Ď64 bodied GTO (recent build) that can get close, driven by a Dutch pro, but it doesnít race in PA. I donít think a Bizza will beat the Cobras and E Types now- maybe a couple of years ago- and a GT350 has to be well Ďbentí to get close. Yes, there is the odd one......
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 16:24 (Ref:3936401)   #4
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Not really. There is a Ď64 bodied GTO (recent build) that can get close, driven by a Dutch pro, but it doesnít race in PA. I donít think a Bizza will beat the Cobras and E Types now- maybe a couple of years ago- and a GT350 has to be well Ďbentí to get close. Yes, there is the odd one......
Certainly. Hard to say as there is not many of the exanples I gave going against the Cobras. One example is the Nolte/Funke Bizzarini which normally sets very quick times amongst Cobras and E Type.

The GTO 64 at Imola lapped the whole Pre 66 field apart from 1 car I think at Imola in a 90 minute race last year, although it was driven by Nicky Pastorelli.

You could argue now that the standard Cobra and E type are obsolete now given how good the Daytona Cobra is now as its got better aero than standard cobra and developed a lot aswell.

As always depends on whos driving.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 16:45 (Ref:3936404)   #5
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Robert, matter of fact, Cobras and E's are at the maximum development acceptable AND very well driven. Why not considering a good TVR as an alternative?
I too noticed the fast GT350 but can say nothing about this particular one. Just asked JM why he was behindÖ
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 17:13 (Ref:3936407)   #6
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Oh as Gerard mentioned a TVR Griffith is able to if its brakes last.
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Yes front uprights too. But we're talking about two hour races. SoÖ
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Old 24 Oct 2019, 07:11 (Ref:3936504)   #8
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Gentleman thank you for your suggestions.
I had thought of the TVR Griffith 200, the Shelby Mustang and in a quick review of the GT's homologated in 1964/65 noticed the Pontiac GTO.
I would have thought the Shelby Mustang would be quicker than the GTO. Certainly over a lap rather than outright speed.
Its slim pickings at the top of the grid.
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Two telly quick drivers in Elva gets you in top five
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 03:46 (Ref:3936647)   #10
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Two telly quick drivers in Elva gets you in top five
Which Elva would that be John
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A blue one.
There are only two!
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 11:23 (Ref:3936672)   #12
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I need glasses John. I canít see an Elva in Sixties Endurance results
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I canít dispute you need glasses, Specsave perhaps?
Your question was, what car can be at front of 60ís endurance race other than Jag or Cobra
My answer Elva, look at Dijon race lap by lap
Itís a top ten/ five car if driven by two decent drivers
The result only perspective is misleading.
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Was having a look at results and a Bizzarini did get P2 in quali at Imola for 60s race last year.
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You raced against it, Bob. Car #160 Elva GT160, Michael Birch and Gareth Burnett. Was just behind your Elite in the tents. Sadly put out of the race by an out of control MGB....

(If youíre looking at the results on a tablet, the second page of the results wonít show. )
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