LMP Challenge cars unveiled - Page 3

Fogelhund · 7 Oct 2009, 20:29 (Ref:2556159)

Possibly Primetime.

MJ_N_09 · 7 Oct 2009, 22:47 (Ref:2556251)

It's likely a team that didn't return to GAARA for 2009.

Speed-King · 8 Oct 2009, 00:37 (Ref:2556286)

Tucker/Supercarlife just spent a ton of money on GA equipment. If they go LMPC-racing it will be an addition, not a replacement.

As for Krohn - destroying the chassis at the Daytona test should not be an issue, as the team owns a third car.

**joeb** · 8 Oct 2009, 01:22 (Ref:2556298)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Tucker/Supercarlife just spent a ton of money on GA equipment. If they go LMPC-racing it will be an addition, not a replacement.

As for Krohn - destroying the chassis at the Daytona test should not be an issue, as the team owns a third car.

I'm trying to picture a fluorescent green lmpc car....
might be nice to see that shade again

mz2k · 14 Oct 2009, 15:18 (Ref:2561364)

Marshall Pruett has this tidbit:

Quote:

IMSA’s goal of increasing their prototype car count recently received a boost as the first three LMPC cars have been sold – expect an announcement from a veteran owner/crew chief later this month on his two-car team. I’m not sure when the other team will announce. I’ve also heard three more cars are nearing sale. After subtracting the Fernandez Racing P2 Acura, and possibly de Ferran’s P1 Acura (Gil is non-committal on his plans for 2010) it’s still a gain of one P-car at this point. How that changes for the better or worse will be known in the coming months.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...tint-1013//P2/

CarolK · 14 Oct 2009, 16:17 (Ref:2561391)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Murphy seems to be reporting at least one sale of a LMPC car so far, and could it be to a former GA team?

The one I know of is NOT a former GA team.

vancecooley · 16 Oct 2009, 21:30 (Ref:2562974)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mz2k

Marshall Pruett has this tidbit:

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...tint-1013//P2/

I thought the Fernandez P2 car had been sold? Or someone was interested in buying? I don't have the link that I read that on unfortunately.

Zurbert82 · 16 Oct 2009, 22:00 (Ref:2562993)

Looks like the 2 car team will be Comprent Motorsports, according to Murphy.

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Oct 2009, 22:05 (Ref:2562997)

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Originally Posted by vancecooley

I thought the Fernandez P2 car had been sold? Or someone was interested in buying? I don't have the link that I read that on unfortunately.

Strakka bought it, they are selling their Zytek on DSC.

carsten66 · 16 Oct 2009, 23:32 (Ref:2563025)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Strakka bought it, they are selling their Zytek on DSC.

No more than a year ago Strakka switched from GT1 to P1 and now to P2... apparently they have big budgets to spend...?

Just only a few days back Strakka confirmed that they had signed a new long-term contract with Danny Watts... but maybe that's incoherent...

vancecooley · 17 Oct 2009, 08:29 (Ref:2563115)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Strakka bought it, they are selling their Zytek on DSC.

So... here's what I have so far...
LMP-
2 Dyson
Cytosport
Strakka
Any of the radicals?
De Ferran (maybe)
Highcroft
Audi (maybe)
Drayson
Intersport
Autocon

LMPC
6 cars sold..
Am I missing anything from the LMP ranks?

NightStalk3r · 17 Oct 2009, 08:32 (Ref:2563116)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vancecooley

So... here's what I have so far...
LMP-
Strakka

Strakka are running the Acura in Europe.

zac510 · 17 Oct 2009, 09:12 (Ref:2563139)

Who owns Strakka these days?

HORNDAWG · 17 Oct 2009, 14:59 (Ref:2563261)

I am pretty sure that what ever they run, it is not an LMPC in the ALMS.

L.P.

HORNDAWG · 17 Oct 2009, 15:07 (Ref:2563265)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vancecooley

So... here's what I have so far...
LMP-
2 Dyson
Cytosport
Strakka
Any of the radicals?
De Ferran (maybe)
Highcroft
Audi (maybe)
Drayson
Intersport
Autocon

LMPC
6 cars sold..
Am I missing anything from the LMP ranks?

This is a list of LMPC teams? I think not. You might try that here...

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117708

L.P.

Fogelhund · 17 Oct 2009, 16:57 (Ref:2563293)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

This is a list of LMPC teams? I think not. You might try that here...

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117708

RIF - It specifies in his list exactly which ones are LMP's and LMP-C's. This pedantic superiorism is getting a bit old.

HORNDAWG · 17 Oct 2009, 18:32 (Ref:2563319)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

RIF - It specifies in his list exactly which ones are LMP's and LMP-C's. This pedantic superiorism is getting a bit old.

Ahh, did I upset the applecart by wanting to talk about what the thread is about, and pointing out where the list in its entirety would be more appropriate? And unlike some, I did not feel that attacking the poster was an appropriate reaction. So who here is showing a superiorism bent with their post...

L.P.

vancecooley · 18 Oct 2009, 02:01 (Ref:2563477)

well it's good to be here, but no need to fight. I thought it was appropriate since we were discussing the Fernandez car and also the amount of LMP C cars... unless I missed something.

jc_nl · 18 Oct 2009, 19:38 (Ref:2563956)

Quote:

Originally Posted by carsten66

No more than a year ago Strakka switched from GT1 to P1 and now to P2... apparently they have big budgets to spend...?

Just only a few days back Strakka confirmed that they had signed a new long-term contract with Danny Watts... but maybe that's incoherent...

From what I can tell from the new reports Strakka never owned the P1 car, they had it on lease from Ginetta-Zytec. That probably makes it easier to go to a different car next year.

Joe Taylor · 18 Oct 2009, 20:24 (Ref:2564020)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jc_nl

From what I can tell from the new reports Strakka never owned the P1 car, they had it on lease from Ginetta-Zytec. That probably makes it easier to go to a different car next year.

That also explains why it's Zytek who are selling the car.

TWK · 18 Oct 2009, 20:53 (Ref:2564050)

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Originally Posted by MJ_N_09

Who knows, maybe the FLM cars will be allowed too?

The only cars that will be accepted for entry are those purchased from Panoz Motorsports Group.

TWK · 18 Oct 2009, 21:03 (Ref:2564058)

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Originally Posted by italiastraps

Now that they have mentioned the actual cost of the LMPC chassis, what would be the yearly budget difference between buying a used P1 or P2 and going for the overall win in 2010 vs. running LMPC? i.e. like an Intersport team vs. an LMPC effort… Does anyone know the economics of this?

With tax and delivery, the LMPC costs $450,000. Intersport or another team can find LMP1/2 for a similar cost. Dyson picked up a Lola Mazda coupe, complete, for a little over $600K.

Operating costs are put by the ALMS (they've published a spreadsheet) right at $1 million for a nine-race season plus the January test at Sebring.

Everyone who I've talked to in the sport who knows about such things says that is unrealistically low. To start, it doesn't amortize anything for the car purchase, lowballs damage and spares cost, and includes no cost for overhead (acquistion, maintenance of shops, tools, transporter, etc.) Also driver costs are not included in the estimate, and most expect that one pro driver will be in the car partnering the one (required) "gentleman" driver in order to be competitive. These are factors that have also played into the understating of Grand Am DP costs.

It appears the biggest difference from "full LMP" will be in annual engine costs.

carsten66 · 18 Oct 2009, 22:52 (Ref:2564119)

Quote:

Originally Posted by zac510

Who owns Strakka these days?

Peter Hardman... but back in june it was reported that he will leave and is making plans to hand over the reins of Strakka Racing and also that he is in negotiations with an 'undisclosed' buyer...

italiastraps · 18 Oct 2009, 23:04 (Ref:2564126)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWK

With tax and delivery, the LMPC costs $450,000. Intersport or another team can find LMP1/2 for a similar cost. Dyson picked up a Lola Mazda coupe, complete, for a little over $600K.

Operating costs are put by the ALMS (they've published a spreadsheet) right at $1 million for a nine-race season plus the January test at Sebring.

Everyone who I've talked to in the sport who knows about such things says that is unrealistically low. To start, it doesn't amortize anything for the car purchase, lowballs damage and spares cost, and includes no cost for overhead (acquistion, maintenance of shops, tools, transporter, etc.) Also driver costs are not included in the estimate, and most expect that one pro driver will be in the car partnering the one (required) "gentleman" driver in order to be competitive. These are factors that have also played into the understating of Grand Am DP costs.

It appears the biggest difference from "full LMP" will be in annual engine costs.

Fernandez almost won Laguna in a P2 car that wasn't "supposed" to.

2010 seems like a great year for a team to buy an older P1 or P2 car and go for overall honors. It seems like fielding a car that has the potential to win the race would be far more attractive to sponsors in these tough times and might offset the difference between a LMPC and P car program.

I would think some teams would have to be looking at this.

**joeb** · 23 Oct 2009, 13:12 (Ref:2567942)

Intersport has officially become the first LMPC team.

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