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Old 26 Jun 2019, 11:32 (Ref:3914255)   #1876
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Oh and we were also in the stands for the TCR race and I commented to the old man that I’d never heard an ovation for something on the big screen before. The collective intake of breath when they were bashing door mirrors on the following lap was good too.


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Old 26 Jun 2019, 12:37 (Ref:3914263)   #1877
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Old 27 Jun 2019, 14:26 (Ref:3914439)   #1878
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Old 27 Jun 2019, 19:52 (Ref:3914486)   #1879
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Old 2 Jul 2019, 13:00 (Ref:3915484)   #1880
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Old 6 Jul 2019, 10:57 (Ref:3916121)   #1881
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And Manthey gets disqualified out of 2nd place because engine power was apparently too much (exceeding 4% tolerance).

And it’s taken them two weeks to get to this point. Bullshit.
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Old 6 Jul 2019, 12:13 (Ref:3916132)   #1882
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And Manthey gets disqualified out of 2nd place because engine power was apparently too much (exceeding 4% tolerance).

And it’s taken them two weeks to get to this point. Bullshit.
What about it is bullshit?
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Old 6 Jul 2019, 12:52 (Ref:3916140)   #1883
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Probably timing. Just like how at Le Mans we didn't find out about the penalties for the two Ford GTs that had oversized fuel tanks until almost two days after the fact. When in a normal sprint race we hear about it hours afterwards.

Two weeks is kinda bullcrap for penalties to be handed out for tech infringements.
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So we'd rather let them cheat, and yes it's cheating blatantly with an almost spec car, than allow a second testing method to be sure? Seems more like the childish attitude of Nascar fans and the we've left the team so nothing can change. Frankly that's a temper tantrum attitude like tiny children. They BLATANTLY cheated and they know the rules, it's their race. Exclusion from the next round and removed from the 24 should be the minimum punishment.

For those who didn't bother to read the release, the team requested the second test after the on site testing revealed over power limits. It takes time to get another testing situation with the team and verify. It doesn't sound like the team was ok with the on site system and wanted it tested again the way they used. It still failed and was over the number so disqualified. It's black letter and easy to determine, it may be a BS rule for safety but it's the rule and not told to them after the race. The car was prepped and tuned to make more than the allowed limits and they got caught. Doubt we'll see an appeal.
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Old 6 Jul 2019, 18:10 (Ref:3916182)   #1885
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If NASCAR even can DQ teams in tech within two hours of the conclusion of the race, then organizations like the ACO and ADAC/VLN should be capable of making such things public, pending appeals, within 24 hours or less of the event's conclusion IMO.

I can understand issues with there being 60+ cars at LM and 160+ at the N24, but still, it shouldn't take 2 weeks for the sanctioning body to announce a penalty against anyone for flunking tech, even after going though tech a second time to make sure there was no error.
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If NASCAR even can DQ teams in tech within two hours of the conclusion of the race, then organizations like the ACO and ADAC/VLN should be capable of making such things public, pending appeals, within 24 hours or less of the event's conclusion IMO.

I can understand issues with there being 60+ cars at LM and 160+ at the N24, but still, it shouldn't take 2 weeks for the sanctioning body to announce a penalty against anyone for flunking tech, even after going though tech a second time to make sure there was no error.
They went through tech at a DIFFERENT location after the team appealed the test. I believe they argued the system used at the team did not reflect the method they used and wanted further testing. It was NOT the organizer's decision to wait, they had already DQ'd the car. It took that long to carry out the additional testing that was allowed to demonstrate the car was legal. This was not a 2 week wait to do basic testing, this was advanced testing to attempt to let the team prove legality. It failed after so it was excluded.
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I do wonder why ADAC were so flexible with allowing such a second test? As the sanctioning body, they're supposed to reserve the right to say you flunked tech, the fate of your finishing result rests in our hands, right (sarcasm)? They could've flatly turned it down and run the original test again.

I can sort of understand the Ford GT fuel tank deal at LM taking almost two days after the race to happen, as the ACO had to tech every car that got a finishing classification and inspection is seemingly more thorough than at a normal WEC race (for comparison, NASCAR for certain techs the podium finishers, maybe race pole winner and for sure a random car). But if what you're saying is true, it seems that the ADAC were bending over backwards to keep Manthey on the podium. Maybe nothing that sinister, but that does seem above and beyond what they normally would've done

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Just the timing. I can understand that things change in the day or two after the race but two weeks after the race to hear the result has been changed. With that said I wasn’t aware that it was the team that requested the second test which realistically takes more time to organise so fair enough.

It would’ve been better had the teams request for a second team hadve been publicised then this wouldn’t have appeared out of nowhere.
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Manthey's response to the DQ.

"Two weeks after the ADAC Total 24h Race, the #911 Manthey-Racing car was retrospectively disqualified by DMSB officials. The team has issued the following statement:
The engine in our inspected #911 car complied with all the key points of the homologation. The only thing that was not consistent with the prescribed 2 x 34.6-millimetre diameter of the restrictor, which was the size we used, was the performance value calculated by the ADAC technical committee. We must accept that we did not check the plausibility of the value calculated by the organiser, neither on the test bench in Weissach nor on our chassis dynamometer in Meuspath. We accept the judgement and will not lodge an appeal."
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Old 14 Jul 2019, 14:04 (Ref:3917536)   #1890
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Tirewar at the N24h

By the way - last week we issued a small overview over the tire-manufacturers involved at the 24h Nürburgring and their respective class-successes in this years edition:

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Obviously nearly each one (bar one..) picked up a class-win this year. Maybe due to the ideal weather-condition Michelin was´t that dominant as last year.
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