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Old 5 Jun 2017, 02:26 (Ref:3738705)   #101
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Cool then they could be sold at IKEA complete with an allen key and an instruction book. Should be a lot less than $ 300,000.
3 problems with that:

1 - It would put many potential competitors off if they had to spend more than 5 minutes in that Ikea maze to purchase the car.
2 - Nothing surer that the Allen Key would be missing, as would 4 important bolts
3 - It would fall apart after 3 months and be put on Gumtree for 1/3 of the price.
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Old 5 Jun 2017, 05:00 (Ref:3738707)   #102
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3 problems with that:

1 - It would put many potential competitors off if they had to spend more than 5 minutes in that Ikea maze to purchase the car.
2 - Nothing surer that the Allen Key would be missing, as would 4 important bolts
3 - It would fall apart after 3 months and be put on Gumtree for 1/3 of the price.
Your Step 3 is actually step 4. Step 3 is going bald trying to follow the instructions that are supposed to be simple but ALWAYS fail to specify EXACTLY which way that ONE tiny little part is supposed to face...
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Old 5 Jun 2017, 10:32 (Ref:3738742)   #103
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Your Step 3 is actually step 4. Step 3 is going bald trying to follow the instructions that are supposed to be simple but ALWAYS fail to specify EXACTLY which way that ONE tiny little part is supposed to face...
I love that sort of thing - it's amazing what you can actually make with all the left over bits !

Reminds me of when I was a young lad and had a 1948/215 (FX) Holden ute that required weekly maintenance. After I 'fixed' things I usually had to ring the NRMA to get the patrolman to get the beast going. In the end he would always drop by late Sunday afternoon to see if I needed assistance.
Over a couple of years we became great friends and that lasted until his passing a few years ago.
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Old 5 Jun 2017, 10:58 (Ref:3738745)   #104
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Interesting to see Speedcafe slightly fanning the flames of a 'war' with their latest poll on the website...
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Old 5 Jun 2017, 11:34 (Ref:3738749)   #105
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Lambden clearly has won the propaganda war.
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Old 5 Jun 2017, 12:04 (Ref:3738753)   #106
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Lambden clearly has won the propaganda war.
Don't you mean, integrity?
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Old 5 Jun 2017, 12:11 (Ref:3738755)   #107
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Don't you mean, integrity?
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 02:42 (Ref:3738923)   #108
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Don't you mean, integrity?
True that
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 02:55 (Ref:3738924)   #109
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Gotta love it when people blindly suck up one person's version of the truth because it suits their agenda.

Nobody here knows the truth.

It is wholly unremarkable for 2 people in different places to independently come to the same idea to revive a series everybody views with misty eyes.

Lambden has skin in the game and a willing press is airing his angst because it gets clicks - but even he doesn't know if and when the idea was tabled with Oscar or Supercars.
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 03:08 (Ref:3738925)   #110
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Gotta love it when people blindly suck up one person's version of the truth because it suits their agenda.

Nobody here knows the truth.

It is wholly unremarkable for 2 people in different places to independently come to the same idea to revive a series everybody views with misty eyes.

Lambden has skin in the game and a willing press is airing his angst because it gets clicks - but even he doesn't know if and when the idea was tabled with Oscar or Supercars.


It s amusing that many of the posters on here who are anti Supercars (Hey DRT) have come out in support of Lambden. Very open minded
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 04:03 (Ref:3738926)   #111
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For the Super5000 to have a custom tub complete and a functional chassis not long after the FT5000 would suggest it was born quite awhile ago. The FT5000 tub was purchased complete and the rest will be manufactured locally so they didn't have the worry of manufacturing it beforehand.

Tbh the argument of who was first and who copied who if anyone is pretty irrelevant now and it comes down to which ego's will lead to who's demise.

The fact Lambden didn't have the FT5000 doing laps at the Shannons Nationals last weekend was pretty disappointing though, that's his market and he doesn't appear to be doing an awful lot promoting his product.
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 05:09 (Ref:3738928)   #112
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Interesting to see Speedcafe slightly fanning the flames of a 'war' with their latest poll on the website...
The poll results are looking pretty lopsided.

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Old 6 Jun 2017, 07:08 (Ref:3738953)   #113
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It s amusing that many of the posters on here who are anti Supercars (Hey DRT) have come out in support of Lambden. Very open minded
Maybe some posters (and some punters judging by the Speedcafe poll results) are just keen to see some more motor racing in Australia not connected to the mob from Supercars?

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The fact Lambden didn't have the FT5000 doing laps at the Shannons Nationals last weekend was pretty disappointing though, that's his market and he doesn't appear to be doing an awful lot promoting his product.
Who would they have been promoting the car for at the Shannons Nationals? The teams there already know about the car, and there is 3 men and a dog in the crowd at Shannons events

They did plenty of promoting of the product last year. It's up to the customers to buy it if they want now. If they hadn't shown interest in buying the cars before last Friday, they likely weren't going to, no matter how many laps of Phillip Island it did.
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 09:15 (Ref:3738978)   #114
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Maybe some posters (and some punters judging by the Speedcafe poll results) are just keen to see some more motor racing in Australia not connected to the mob from Supercars?



Who would they have been promoting the car for at the Shannons Nationals? The teams there already know about the car, and there is 3 men and a dog in the crowd at Shannons events

They did plenty of promoting of the product last year. It's up to the customers to buy it if they want now. If they hadn't shown interest in buying the cars before last Friday, they likely weren't going to, no matter how many laps of Phillip Island it did.
So , just to be clear, people want to see racing not connected to supercars, But in the main national series not connected to supercars, no one attends and Lambden should not bother trying to show of his vehicle at that.

Yeah that makes sense
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 11:46 (Ref:3738992)   #115
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So , just to be clear, people want to see racing not connected to supercars, But in the main national series not connected to supercars, no one attends and Lambden should not bother trying to show of his vehicle at that.
And yet all of the categories at Phillip Island last weekend, bar the Radicals, are Supercar support events, so it was a Supercar connected meeting.

Lambden's idea was to run the FT5000 events over the summer months in NZ as well as Australia, like the Tasman Series, so it wouldn't have much to do with the Shannons Nationals either.

The Super5000 version seems merely aimed at being just another support category for Supercars to fill its gaps on their program.
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Old 7 Jun 2017, 02:27 (Ref:3739140)   #116
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The Super5000 version seems merely aimed at being just another support category for Supercars to fill its gaps on their program.
I think it is not even that, it is connected only loosely to Supercars really.

Fiorinotto had the bright idea to make something using Supercar componentry and convinced someone to back him on it - but Supercars as a whole really hasn't backed it at all.

I guess they've allowed it to be associated via a logo and if it gets up they'll run it, but given the costs I am not sure it is going to get up.
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but Supercars as a whole really hasn't backed it at all.
Apart from branding it, promoting it, using its drivers to test it and making space for it on its event schedule.

Nah - they are not backing it all.
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Apart from branding it, promoting it, using its drivers to test it and making space for it on its event schedule.

Nah - they are not backing it all.
Supercars quite literally is _not_ backing it.

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However, Supercars’ plan has been met with resistance from Supercars team owners including board member and Triple Eight boss Roland Dane.
“I’ve got no interest in it whatsoever,” Dane told Speedcafe.com.
“It was certainly rolled out as part of a much bigger plan for the future but it has no place in our business.
“It is an idea that was tabled. Some were good and some were not so good. I don’t think that particular idea has any part of our future.
“If there is room for such a championship or series, and I’m not sure there is, I’m sure Chris Lambden will do a good job with his (series) if there is room for it.
Hate to tell you this but Supercar drivers drive other things all the time...

Also Alex Davison is Carrera Cup driver.

There were no Supercars quotes at the time of the recent release, only PAYCE.

PAYCE has funded Fiorinotto and Supercars can provide the structure to run it if it gets up. That's where it starts and ends.

Supashock and PAYCE are part of the Supercars circus and they are behind this.
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Supercars quite literally is _not_ backing it.
As I suggested above - backing can occur in many ways outside of cold hard cash.

Many business would pay big dollars to get the kind of support from Supercars which you are downplaying.

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Hate to tell you this but Supercar drivers drive other things all the time...
Yes when approved by VASC - wasn't that the move VASC made in 2015 following the drama surrounding drivers wanting to compete in Bathurst 12 Hour? They wanted to control 'their' products was the message.

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Also Alex Davison is Carrera Cup driver.
And what is Garth Tander?

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Supashock and PAYCE are part of the Supercars circus and they are behind this.
Along with VASC - there is no way they would have slapped their logo loud and proud on the release let alone drive its comms via their website and social channels

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This is hilarious Mixer, what else have you got in your act?

Press Release is put on Supercars website
Car has big Supercar logo's on it
Supercars has the Category Management rights

Yep they've got nothing to do with Super5000
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I'd say Supercars are just facilitating it.

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