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Old 15 Jun 2019, 09:47 (Ref:3910308)   #1
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Let them race or better driving standards?

Quite a few people have argued that we should let them race more. Too many penalties would be cause by strict appliance of the rules.

Another argument would be that if the drivers practised higher driving standards, stewards would have to apply penalties as much.


Personally I have been a very fanatic sim-racer and I've always strived to leave a generous car width on track even if the was only a tiny portion of car next to me. The result was almost always that the fight for position lasted multiple corners. One corners outside be becomes the next corners inside. Often I couldn't get the pass done and had to try again.

For me that is just so much fun to do or watch than just see drivers just barging passed claiming "it was my corner" that we so much nowadays. Riciardo and Max's along side over several corners a few years ago was a prime example of what good racing should be like.


So in my opinion I'm not so sure the let them race argument leads to better racing perse. I think higher racing standards surely would.


What do you all think?


P.S. For higher racing standards to actually work cars obviously need to be able to do actual qheel to wheel battling. Which current aero rules makes hard.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 10:14 (Ref:3910310)   #2
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The problem is very rarely these days is an accident seen as a racing incident. It seems even the slightest unintentional contact is penalised. Really I think at times the drivers so sort it out between them and let the officials punish unsporting/dangerous behaviour
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 12:51 (Ref:3910339)   #3
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The harder the cars are to drive the more willing i will be to forgive mistakes.
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 08:56 (Ref:3911709)   #4
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This is the kind of racing I love to see more of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBrSSiEKjE


Too often it is: take the inside, brake late, leave no room on the outside for the competitor on the exit and that's that.
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 20:57 (Ref:3912281)   #5
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Let’s first get cars that can provide that sort of racing. The aero increase in 2017 made things worse. Obviously some drivers won’t give it up so easily
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 22:35 (Ref:3912309)   #6
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Just let them race. Don't punish sincere, moderate mistakes.

Have a sturdy framework of rules but don't worry if not every eventuality is covered.

The thing with discretion getting more input is that it gives rise to greater inconsistency and thus wider controversy including coach potato accusations they are fixing it for one party or another.

My view is you ride the rapids of public controversy.

Sporting bodies tend to be frightened of controversy because of the sheer volcanic nature of instantaneous social media outcries. They shouldn't be. So let 'em race.
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 07:21 (Ref:3912373)   #7
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Your sim racing is for fun. They are racing for a team that wants to win points/championships to earn money. That changes perspectives and expectations quite a bit.

They are not expected to leave more room so the racing is more fun, they are expected to stay in front/get in front for more money.
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 13:39 (Ref:3912432)   #8
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Your sim racing is for fun. They are racing for a team that wants to win points/championships to earn money. That changes perspectives and expectations quite a bit.

They are not expected to leave more room so the racing is more fun, they are expected to stay in front/get in front for more money.
You're right Kempi. Very valid point. Though now not leaving room is seldom penalized so will most likely give the desired result. If itvwould be stronger enforced that might be different, al thought that might indeed be doubtfull.
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Old 18 Jun 2019, 16:04 (Ref:3912688)   #9
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The rules should be much simpler.

If a driver gains an obvious advantage then he should be penalised.
Vettel made a mistake, but it certainly didn't give him an advantage.

Whether or not he rejoined the track in an unsafe manner, or left enough racing room, is a completely different question and highly subjective at that.

Rules should be black and white.Did he gain an advantage?........No.
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Rules should be black and white.Did he gain an advantage?........No.
YES. by rejoining the circuit in an unsafe manor he forced his competitor off the track and onto the brakes. By rejoining unsafely onto the racing line he denied his competitor a chance to overtake, which if he had joined more safely either off line or more slowly his competitor would have had.

So did Vettel gain an advantage, most certainly yes.
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The big question the stewards will have to decide: Either Vettel was not in control, then the penalty might be ok but the reasoning is wrong. Or he was in control, as the reasoning suggests. In that case: would he have been entitled to move to defend position? The answer to that is: yes, he would have, and he would not have to leave space as Hamilton was not yet alongside him.

In that case the penalty is wrong but the reasoning is right.
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Old 19 Jun 2019, 07:20 (Ref:3912810)   #12
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Problem is "let them race" means totally different things to people. Same as "obvious advantage" etc.

All the time a rule has to be decided by a human beings judgement call there is going to be issues.

It is totally impossible to have a 100% perfect set of rules in these circumstances. For example everyone says Hamilton was forced off track but Vettel was further away from the edge of the track than previous laps and Hamilton had been that wide on his own many times.
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Hamilton was not yet alongside him.
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Worth remembering as well that the current stricter rules are in large part the result of drivers wanting greater clarity and consistency about what is allowed and what is not.

Entirely predictably, when a driver falls foul of the now-strict rules, they complain about a lack of common sense and how rules are stifling racing.

Drivers will take whatever freedom is allowed them, and then push that to the edge and over. One thing we don't see any longer are Senna and Schumacher-esque deliberate attempts to drive into a rival or force them into a wall. I'd rather have nanny-state rules than a return to those days.
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I stand corrected, did not remember that.
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