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Old 29 Jul 2020, 15:17 (Ref:3991410)   #211
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But still, the main reason paper magazines are losing traction has nothing to do with supermarket policies and providers... And that's unfortunate, as I do like my physical press. Let's enjoy them while they haven't gone the way of the dodo!
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 10:21 (Ref:3991602)   #212
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Not sure it is that simple, they went that way because they had to for various reasons, pressure from the publisher, style, and the general move of niche magazines from pure reading to almost lifestyle choices. Look at an Autosport form the 80's full of reading, less pictures, more content. Now it is basically an LAT picture fest, less content. Its not a magazine, it's a catalogue.

For me, now they are mostly far too expensive for the reading material contained within, far too flashy and full of stuff I dont want to read. I stopped buying magazines about 10 years ago as a result.

And I miss the old days, but from what I have seen motoring wise I made a wise choice!
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 12:11 (Ref:3991632)   #213
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I am enjoying the 70th Anniversary trips they are doing to old magazines at the back of the current magazines. Quite interesting. And today's is edited by DC
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For me, now they are mostly far too expensive for the reading material contained within, far too flashy and full of stuff I dont want to read. I stopped buying magazines about 10 years ago as a result.

And I miss the old days, but from what I have seen motoring wise I made a wise choice![/QUOTE]

I'm much the same, the only magazine I still subscribe to is Motorsport, but even that winds me up, with several pages devoted to watches every month.
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Look at an Autosport form the 80's full of reading, less pictures, more content. Now it is basically an LAT picture fest, less content. Its not a magazine, it's a catalogue.
I tend to avoid getting into debate about Autosport for obvious reasons but this is just so completely inaccurate, it needs to be called out. You have no idea of the amount of work which goes into producing the mag, and you clearly don't actually read it, as that bald final statement makes clear.
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I read Motoring News from about being 14, having had my father's MS to learn to read with previously. I stopped MSN as it became ten years ago. I never really enjoyed AS as it was more racing than rallying and speed events. The thing is that you get so out of touch. I looked at the British GTs on Sunday and only saw one name I recognised.
I know MSN got sold off but has it survived?
It's the national and club events that interest me, the GPs etc you can watch or you get the reports on Motor Sport Monday.
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John, no I do not read it and I have worked in the print media before so know full well what it takes to put magazines together both weekly and monthly, so please be careful accusing people of things you think you know about, when perhaps you may not know about the person you are accusing.

I stopped reading and buying it 20 odd years ago, it is far too expensive for what is basically processed press releases most of the time, race reports that are not very interesting, and clutter. it is not difficult to make, especially now with emails etc and the ability to send copy electronically, when I was involved all pictures were scanned, sent by courier until the deadline, all copy was just about word processed on yonk old PC's using Apple programs that did not work properly, press day was insane, 12 hours usually, often more, and then laying out the copy for the week ahead, it is not hard, it is planning, awareness and getting the right people doing their jobs, like any other company. Most of it is written by contributors, even more so now, all that is done by the staff is layout, bits of copy and direction etc ideas. Not the writing as much as they once did.

If you think it is worth the price, fair enough, but because you do there will always be people who disagree just as strongly. but dont try and make journos out to be martyrs or the like, I know a few of them and the opposite it true.
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I know MSN got sold off but has it survived?
Yes, bought by Kelsey Media and continued publishing through the enforced break from competition.
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John, no I do not read it and I have worked in the print media before so know full well what it takes to put magazines together both weekly and monthly, so please be careful accusing people of things you think you know about, when perhaps you may not know about the person you are accusing.

I stopped reading and buying it 20 odd years ago, it is far too expensive for what is basically processed press releases most of the time, race reports that are not very interesting, and clutter. it is not difficult to make, especially now with emails etc and the ability to send copy electronically, when I was involved all pictures were scanned, sent by courier until the deadline, all copy was just about word processed on yonk old PC's using Apple programs that did not work properly, press day was insane, 12 hours usually, often more, and then laying out the copy for the week ahead, it is not hard, it is planning, awareness and getting the right people doing their jobs, like any other company. Most of it is written by contributors, even more so now, all that is done by the staff is layout, bits of copy and direction etc ideas. Not the writing as much as they once did.

If you think it is worth the price, fair enough, but because you do there will always be people who disagree just as strongly. but dont try and make journos out to be martyrs or the like, I know a few of them and the opposite it true.
And much of this, as far as Autosport is concerned, is also incorrect, so I adhere to what I said. I cannot comment on other mags, nor would I presume to do so. However, I don't need to know who you are or what you have done, to be able to say that Autosport is neither an LAT pic fest, nor a catalogue, and since you admit that you don't even read it, and haven't done for 20 years, you're clearly not in a position to offer any assessment, or indeed some of the embellishments that you have now so kindly proffered. I therefore thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct you.
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