Sportscar/GT (and Le Mans) Rumours and Repetition

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

That's not true.

Europe (Le Mans) - Europe - U.S. (Road America or COTA) - Japan

would likely cost you less than:

Europe (Le Mans) - U.S. (Road America or COTA) - Europe - Japan

Two times shipping long distances instead of three.

The thing is, if they choose to head to Road America in '17(targeted date) they will combine it with the other NA round be it Mexico, or Canada, and if they head back to Brazil, along with that one.

The schedule makers at the WEC arent that daft..all the rounds have always been grouped.

And when the WEC is paying the shipping, it's pretty much a moot point.

[Deleted]

Ya all remember when Motogp had that laughable Europe-Laguna-Europe-Indy-Europe leg in the schedule?

[cokata]

Please Monza in July, and Nurburgring in august

[Rcz]

They should team up with IMSA, it be a waste if the P2 convergence is just LeMans.

Pro-Am GTE and PC should just stay home.

2017 would be perfect...

[deggis]

Not sure from where DSC got this comment from WEC about the SGT "proposal" but I'm surprised they even bothered commenting it in any way.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/0...entry-but.html

[Deleted]

The only surprising thing about that is that this rejection came to public knowledge so fast. Not that it makes it any less annoying.

Now there’s an opportunity for the Super GT runners to run, on the same track, at the same meeting and in an endurance format race. Adding spice to the AsLMS as they do so.

Too bad there's zero reason for any GT300 to come since ACO doesn't seem to fully want to integrate them anymore like few years ago.

[Deleted]

Remember when ILMC let not only to run the regional series extra classes, but at Zhuhai you had LMPC, GT3 (not allowed anywhere else in the world by the ACO or IMSA at the time) and Porsche GT3 Hybrid.
http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers/...ges_zhuhai.pdf
http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers/...-list-2011.pdf

For 2010 you can sort of give excuse for technically also being AsLMS registered, but 2011 was stand-alone not part of any other regional series yet they still let in some extras

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Chiana

The only surprising thing about that is that this rejection came to public knowledge so fast. Not that it makes it any less annoying.

You can't hate exhibition G56 and waivers and then at the same time blame WEC for not allowing this. Or you can but then it is pretty much much a double standard.

Would SGT allow LMP1s at one of their more important rounds? Exactly. Smart guy this SGT boss, free press out of nothing and gets especially Gran Turismo generation's imagination running.

[Deleted]

Waivers are crap because they interfere and mess rules within actual existing category. This wouldn't do that. With G56, yes I can see your point with that more... but actually I would be perfectly fine with G56 if it was any other race than Le Mans - hell, have fleet of them at every other round if there is room. Though even at LM it will become less of a problem when more garages are built

In any case, had they allowed those cars yes they probably would have broken their own rules or some shiz (though who's to say you couldn't classify GT500 as 'innovative cars' such as G56 :P) but that's why I think there should be a line somewhere that said something along the lines of "for single 6 hour events, additional cars not comforting with existing championship category regulations may be accepted or rejected upon organizers decision"

I reread the 2011 ILMC regs and just like with WEC, it said that only LMP and LMGTE entries are accepted. But that probably only meant for full season as it said nothing of regional series classes that did show up, or indeed this flux of extras at Zhuhai

[Deleted]

Forgot to add

- At Le Mans, it really is the lack garages and the overcrowded entry request process that limits things - everywhere else, there is plenty leftover space but it's not utilized at all (Fuji Speedway isn't exactly Long Beach for example) for the reasons of X

- We don't know if GTA would be willing to accommodate ACO cars, because to our knowledge, this request hasn't happened :P also, if Super GT were to allow (hybrid) LMP1 car into their single race, it probably would win overall whether classified or not unclassified, whereas in this Fuji WEC situation the P1 would still win. But I think if ACO for once let SGT machinery into WEC, GTA would allow some ACO machinery to run with them as well somewhere for special occasion.

Btw theoretically I think LMGTE car could participate in GT300 as the regulations still mention "homologated in FIA Group N/A/GT3/GT2/GT1, JAF Production Touring Cars or Special Touring Cars, registered with JAF". But no current GT300 can take part in LMGT, unlike previously.

Now, as said the ACO will allow GT300 into Asian LMS, but no-one gives a crap about that and they cannot score points anyway, even though I gathered from earlier Bandon interview that they would have wanted the 2013 integrated race format to continue - which ACO did not agree with. Clearly ACO doesn't want to be too close friends!

[Deleted]

Speaking of all the ACO affiiliations, the first time I've seen the notorious 'pyramid of endurance' (put together with 'spirit of Le Mans') used visually.

[joeb]

I wonder how IMSA and ELMS feel about being equal to the AsLMS?

[Bob Baldwin]

Well I suppose we ALL need to be Politically Correct

[Coach Ep]

And it all leads to..... Ten Tenths eternal fame!

[BrentJackson]

Originally Posted by joeb

I wonder how IMSA and ELMS feel about being equal to the AsLMS?

They aren't. It's just the ACO trying to make that zombie of a series look like it means something it doesn't.

[TRspitfirefan]

Originally Posted by BrentJackson

They aren't. It's just the ACO trying to make that zombie of a series look like it means something it doesn't.

I thought you liked IMSA?

[Ephaeton]

"they" = ELMS + IMSA, the zombie = AsLMS.

[TRspitfirefan]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

"they" = ELMS + IMSA, the zombie = AsLMS.

I know that, but to me they all seem sadly equal.

[pablocomics]

IMO, IMSA USCC it's close to WEC and it's far away from a championship like ELMS wich basicaly it's a PROAM championship.

[Deleted]

"The pyramid of endurance" was always a horrible joke the PR people made up when drunk or high. Yes in reality you might have essentially took the 'priests' out of the of the regional series and black-and-white classified all of them at the bottom of your French-Egyptian hierarchy, you know in the sort of 3rd class passenger list of RMS Titanic that gets spit on, but it makes the series look weaker when they are placed in lowest division - shared by many sorts of people jammed together. It is as if winning the championship in individual series didn't hold that great of importance in the grand scheme of things, and as if everyone was working towards the upper masters and Pharaoh.

[Snips1]

Originally Posted by pablocomics

IMO, IMSA USCC it's close to WEC and it's far away from a championship like ELMS wich basicaly it's a PROAM championship.

USCC is nothing but a private party, except fot their GTLM class. The champinship is lucky to be regarded in the same category as the ELMS. USCC doesn't even come close to WEC.

[Deleted]

Hey but in P there's MAZDA factory team with their own prototype that's totally not just Speedsource carrying old second hand Lola and some lamo tuner engine. And don't forget Coyote/Dallara/Riley- CHEVROLET CORVETTE sortofbutnotreally-works supported efforts, and Riley -FORD Ecoboost. Mike Shanks also has HPD HONDA Oak-Ligier car. It's quite comparable to LMP1!

[Snips1]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Hey but in P there's Mazda factory team with their own prototype that's so totally not just Speedsource carrying old second hand Lola and some lamo tuner engine And Coyote-Dallara- Chevrolet Corvette sortofbutnotreally-works supported efforts, and Riley -Ford Ecoboost. It's quite comparable to LMP1!

Try to put a factory DP (if such really exist) and a factory LMP1-H on the same track, at the same time. And let them do a 6-hour race. Now which one of them is going to look like a Formula Ford from 1995?
Get it?

[Deleted]

Yes and I was totally being serious.

[J Jay]

Well let's be honest - even with my brilliant image editing skills, the actual shape of the ACO ladder wouldn't look very appealing to prospective regional series entrants...