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Old 29 Aug 2009, 06:05 (Ref:2530245)   #1
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Historic Racing and Historic Racing Today Forum-Where is it going ?

Having just returned from Abu Dhabi earlier in the week where they are messing with their new mini Monaco circuit and taking about Historic's,24 HR races and such I arrived at a bit of a do in Provence where there was a collection of a few of the top historic racers.
As we continued to have the odd glass or two the discussion started about historics and as a couple are irregular contributors to this forum the question was asked what was it all about .
The subject of the Donington Masters meeting came up and lack of entries.It seemed many had committed to race but did not show .Why should Ron continue to do a good job if he has no backing that he can rely on from the people he is trying to help? If all the organisers face the same problem why continue.
On the subject of hooky cars the feeling was that they will continue to prosper until someone does something about them and with entries in short supply the chances are slim.
The opinions about this Forum were interesting with one of the assembled crew thinking that many decent threads were started but it all usually degenerates into drivel after 16 to 20 replies with the Forum Mafia taking over!I was included in this gang along with some others ,Masters PR club etc.
My excuse was on some days I had nothing better to do and liked a good stir!Couldn't speak about the rest but from past experience know that it is bloody boring sitting in downtown Doha with nothing else better to do.On this subject was told that Lord of Qatar is really good bloke and has his heart in right place.Perfect reference from superstar so I must be careful.
The JT reports had a star but the lack of opinions about races other than Tin Tops and 60/70's things was unfortunate
The discussion and argument went downhill after that with the rose winning.
Idea of this ramble is where does the assembled throng think Historics and in particular this forum is heading
To make it interesting and sensible only people with less than 1000 posts should be allowed to answer .
Am obviously at a lose end this morning.
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Old 29 Aug 2009, 07:37 (Ref:2530261)   #2
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Well. it's alright for some, gadding about the world with not a lot to do!

Historic racing is a broad church, and has never been better catered for than now, really. Also I believe that there are number of initiatives around to add to an already over crowded calendar but others may fall by the wayside. The recession has had an impact although, on the whole, I think our hobby has stood up well. It was only one of the reasons why the Masters Donington meeting had inadequate numbers of entries and I don't necessarily think that it was a typical Master event.

I agree that the 'dodgy' cars issue is one still to be addressed but I do think that there have been encouraging signs over the last 12 months. We have seen action taken at a couple of meetings this year.

As for this forum, I hope that it continues to thrive and attract new members. It is actually regularly a top ten performer in numbers of contributors/viewers on the whole of the Ten Tenth site. Naturally, in any discussion, we get sidetracked but going off topic actually breaches the rules, although we tend not to get too carried away with enforcing it if we can get the thread back on topic. Sometimes, we are able to split the conversation off into a new thread. Are you suggesting that we (in practice that's me, really) should run a tighter ship? It's not my way really, but if the consensus is that it is run too softly, a firmer stance could be taken, I guess, although, as a self confessed member of this 'forum mafia' you could become one of the victims of a stricter regime, JR! I know that you like to play Mr Grumpy from time to time but what I'd like to see from you personally, is some more positive stuff about your view of our mutual interest, since you are one of those contributing to it. Your contribution to the recent BDC meeting at Silverstone has been praised in a number of quarters, so you are not just a 'grumps'.

Incidentally, I do occasionally throw some opinions into my pictorial reviews, but I rarely get any bites. An example was my comments on the Classic about the Cooper Monaco. Maybe it's case of 'oh no, we've been there, done that'! However, times/circumstances/attitudes move on, and we need to be revisiting old issues if the old solutions are no longer appropriate or relevant.

Any views on how this forum can develop further is of course welcome, but they have to constructive and achievable.

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Old 29 Aug 2009, 08:23 (Ref:2530276)   #3
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JR, I presume the Masters Donington meeting referred to it is the recent August one, which was a late addition to the original calendar. For me, having dug deep to enter as many of their events as possible this year (including the Algarve, which will just about bankrupt me but it's my birthday!) 'throwing in' an extra one half way through the season wasn't going to work. If some had committed to race but didn't show, that is disappointing, but presumably they had paid entry fees?

As for the forum, I think JT has summed it up nicely. I only regularly visit / contribute to this and a couple of club ones, and straying off topic seems to be normal. Sometimes a little humour helps, just as in a face to face conversation!
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Old 29 Aug 2009, 17:19 (Ref:2530555)   #4
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I think the problem is a lot of the topics have been done to death many times over. With great respect to the man I cancelled Motorsport because I just got fed up with reading about the old greats like Jim Clark and I am just sitting here contemplating going out to the workshop to work on my fleet and thought I would have a browse through the latest Octane that was delivered the other day. Now last issue was all about old Porches, been there done that, this issue is all about Cobras, just how much can any one write or in fact want to read about a limited run sports car however fabulous it was, after a while it gets boring and I guess thats the bottom line.
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Old 29 Aug 2009, 19:12 (Ref:2530630)   #5
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The opinions about this Forum were interesting with one of the assembled crew thinking that many decent threads were started but it all usually degenerates into drivel after 16 to 20 replies with the Forum Mafia taking over!I was included in this gang along with some others ,Masters PR club etc.
My excuse was on some days I had nothing better to do and liked a good stir!Couldn't speak about the rest but from past experience know that it is bloody boring sitting in downtown Doha with nothing else better to do.On this subject was told that Lord of Qatar is really good bloke and has his heart in right place.Perfect reference from superstar so I must be careful.
The JT reports had a star but the lack of opinions about races other than Tin Tops and 60/70's things was unfortunate
The discussion and argument went downhill after that with the rose winning.
Idea of this ramble is where does the assembled throng think Historics and in particular this forum is heading
To make it interesting and sensible only people with less than 1000 posts should be allowed to answer .
Am obviously at a lose end this morning.
I think you've got it just about correct with regards the forum Mafia, there are a few people who put a lot of other posters off because the minority may not agree with what's being said by others.

One other thing is no one seems to ever discuss, apart from maybe Roger W, what cars they actually own or drive and are possibly too busy worrying about what other people are doing or drive.
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Old 29 Aug 2009, 19:29 (Ref:2530636)   #6
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One other thing is no one seems to ever discuss, apart from maybe Roger W, what cars they actually own or drive and are possibly too busy worrying about what other people are doing or drive.
Ha ha can't be us then Tim as I never stop going on about me ruddy old Camaros, or Terry on his 'B's, Peter on his Capri, Zef on GT Cortinas and you on old Jags. :-)
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Old 29 Aug 2009, 19:35 (Ref:2530642)   #7
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So would something with a little more 'opinion' and slightly fewer 'results' appeal, Tim?

Only I am about to write up Classic and BDC for the 'family' online magazine, and my personal feeling is it should err away from mere factual reporting, there's lots of folk doing that better already! I had Roger, and Joe Twyman all lined up, and then life, and laptop failure (yes, again!) interrupted, and I'm only TODAY back online, and thinking about such things... But I wanted to slant it at how it FELT jumping from a Hesketh into a Cooper, or vice versa, and is Rahal good at sharing a drive?
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Old 29 Aug 2009, 20:18 (Ref:2530671)   #8
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Ha ha can't be us then Tim as I never stop going on about me ruddy old Camaros, or Terry on his 'B's, Peter on his Capri, Zef on GT Cortinas and you on old Jags. :-)
Fair enough about Peter, Zef, Terry and you and I'm not allowed to talk about my car as it isn't real.
So apart from Peter, Zef, Terry, Roger and yourself what does everyone else drive or own?
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So apart from Peter, Zef, Terry, Roger and yourself what does everyone else drive or own?
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And I have seen it in the flesh and can vouch its a very nice example too!
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>>>>>>>>>what does everyone else drive or own

Guess!

But isn't this the OT drift JR was on about?????????
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talk about being hijacked by the usual mafia....

don't want to sound negative but the level of debate on here is variable - too often good topics go nowhere just because decent contributions get ignored if made by an unfamiliar voice

within just a fw posts it's just the same old same old banter about not much really

there's a place for that of course but...
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Thought that the occasional posters might get a chance to tell the usual bods where the forum could improve but seems not.
Understand the JT contribution as he is the headmaster but you others with thousands of posts are confirming the points raised by the odd posting gang that spoke to me on Thursday.
I am told that Masters had commitment from enough people to warrant a meeting in August and they sorted it and then people failed to show.It's not on if entrants want these organisations to continue.
Let you lot continue to ramble on as we are now switching to drivel time posts at about 15.Managed to get there earlier with this topic.
Waste of time taking about my cars as no one on here seems to understand real old bangers except JT and a handful of others.Am not interested in writing about my own cars,unless asked ,as it's a bit like playing with yourself.
Can I thank JT and you other three answering the question asked
Bottom line seems to be carry on as before and twenty of us can go on and on about nothing.
As an aside the Octane bit about 356 Porsches was reasonable apart from the glaring factual errors and I will make a point of not lending them any more cars now I know the reception these articles get.
When is the next Masters meeting in UK as I can't wait for another riveting episode of 'Adventurers of a SC Driver'
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John, It's Oct 25th (which I'm sure you know anyway) and guess what- at Mallory- so we can discuss the dangers (or not) of racing there as well.......

Don't often read Octane but have been impressed when I do. Enjoyed the piece about your 356 in C&SC though!

Sorry you won't be at See Red to broaden my knowledge of 'real old bangers'- but I'm sure the catering will be better in Gstaad.......
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talk about being hijacked by the usual mafia....

don't want to sound negative but the level of debate on here is variable - too often good topics go nowhere just because decent contributions get ignored if made by an unfamiliar voice

within just a fw posts it's just the same old same old banter about not much really

there's a place for that of course but...
Well hush my mouth do we have a bandwidth problem here or something as I don't see anyone else bothering to answer and are those silent majority you talk of really so put off by a few off cuff comments, must be sensitive souls is all I can say but not wishing to put them off further I won't bother to answer on this thread again if that the case so they have the floor, take it away.

Oh and my Octane comments (and I will keep up my subscription as its a fair mag) was simply to highlight there is only so many times you can repeat an article on an old model or past era drivers not having a go at the Porsche or the Cobra they jsut happened to be featured in the last two issues.

BTW John yes I would be interested to know what cars you run, since I have seen your posts on here over quite a few years I genuinely do not know what you are into or what cars you own or run and have often wondered I for one would think it would make interesting reading plus some photos if possible.
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