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Old 30 Aug 2020, 21:39 (Ref:3999120)   #26
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The first FCY as Sato brushes the wall, with 4 laps left.
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It finishes under yellow. If they red flagged it and restarted, I doubt the track positions would have been different.

Congrats to Newgarden and Penske. Excellent drive from O'Ward.
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Old 30 Aug 2020, 21:45 (Ref:3999122)   #28
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The first FCY as Sato brushes the wall, with 4 laps left.
Was there any debris? my initial reaction is it should have stayed green!
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Was there any debris? my initial reaction is it should have stayed green!
I didn't see any and was quite surprised to see the yellow. It should have stayed green.
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I didn't see any and was quite surprised to see the yellow. It should have stayed green.
A very reactionary yellow which I get at speedways and I don't think Oward had anything for Josef, but still!

Edit showing the replay of the race off pit road which was the race!!

Good race. Don't really like the way it ended but was enjoyable
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Decent race, but IndyCar definitely needs to look at the short oval aero. The aero wash was so bad it felt like watching a Formula 1 race.
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Decent race, but IndyCar definitely needs to look at the short oval aero. The aero wash was so bad it felt like watching a Formula 1 race.
Agree with your overall sentiment but I actually watched an F1 race today, my first of the year; leave it to F1 to make Spa kinda boring

But for years I've been saying it; aero on ovals takes tends to take a lot out of of them.
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Agree with your overall sentiment but I actually watched an F1 race today, my first of the year; leave it to F1 to make Spa kinda boring

But for years I've been saying it; aero on ovals takes tends to take a lot out of of them.
Maybe something that's more like a speedway configuration because what they use on the short ovals, like today, is more like a road coarse configuration.
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Maybe something that's more like a speedway configuration because what they use on the short ovals, like today, is more like a road coarse configuration.
There were aero complaints at Texas (from viewers and drivers alike); pretty sure they weren't using a road course configuration there. Granted, at the speeds they're reaching at GATEWAY, you need aero and will have a bunch of aero wash regardless, but it's frustrating to me and drivers that once you get close to another driver, you lose all sorts of advantage. It's the same for everyone on track but it would be nice to have a bit more closing speed and overtaking. I don't think there would be much disagreement from anyone but how to make that happen is more complicated than I can imagine
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There were aero complaints at Texas (from viewers and drivers alike); pretty sure they weren't using a road course configuration there. Granted, at the speeds they're reaching at GATEWAY, you need aero and will have a bunch of aero wash regardless, but it's frustrating to me and drivers that once you get close to another driver, you lose all sorts of advantage. It's the same for everyone on track but it would be nice to have a bit more closing speed and overtaking. I don't think there would be much disagreement from anyone but how to make that happen is more complicated than I can imagine
They were using the Superspeedway configuration at Texas and it was the first time the Aeroscreen had been used in a race and on an oval. That will have made a difference to the car's aero and something that would have been relatively unknown, as this was the first time in race conditions.

Most of the car's downforce is produced by the car's floor and with the Superspeedway configuration, that's even more so, with the front and rear wings being much smaller and therefore the car produces less wake, allowing the following car to get closer. At Gateway they were using the short oval configuration, which will produce more wake as it uses larger wings.
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I got to watch both races and enjoyed the racing all around. O'Ward is my favorite driver so I was pretty disappointed he didn't get his first win, but he did lead significant portions of both races and solidified his position in the championship. Pretty funny that he finished 3rd and 2nd and didn't improve his position because in each race he was beaten by one of the two drivers ahead of him in the standings!

I didn't have a problem with the amount of overtaking, people could pass at times, especially restarts.

In race 1, the speed of Sato and Dixon at the end was pretty amazing, they just pulled away from the field.
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They were using the Superspeedway configuration at Texas and it was the first time the Aeroscreen had been used in a race and on an oval. That will have made a difference to the car's aero and something that would have been relatively unknown, as this was the first time in race conditions.

Most of the car's downforce is produced by the car's floor and with the Superspeedway configuration, that's even more so, with the front and rear wings being much smaller and therefore the car produces less wake, allowing the following car to get closer. At Gateway they were using the short oval configuration, which will produce more wake as it uses larger wings.
So it still plays a significant roll and I think it can be improved, that's all.
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So it still plays a significant roll and I think it can be improved, that's all.
Absolutely, especially now with the Aeroscreen.
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Decent race, but IndyCar definitely needs to look at the short oval aero. The aero wash was so bad it felt like watching a Formula 1 race.
You mean superspeedway wings? IIRC cars at Gateway had the same wings as at Iowa.
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You mean superspeedway wings? IIRC cars at Gateway had the same wings as at Iowa.
Texas was Superspeedway configuration and Gateway short oval.

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That was a much better race for Penske and Chevrolet, with Newgarden winning and Power third and Chevrolet taking the first four positions. Newgarden is now 96 points behind Dixon.

The next scheduled race is Race 1 of the IndyCar Harvest GP, on October 2, though the Mid-Ohio double header might go ahead on September 11-13, so it's a little bit up in the air, as far as the Driver's Championship is concerned.
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Last time I checked, Mexico was in North America, so I think Pato qualifies.
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There were aero complaints at Texas (from viewers and drivers alike); pretty sure they weren't using a road course configuration there. Granted, at the speeds they're reaching at GATEWAY, you need aero and will have a bunch of aero wash regardless, but it's frustrating to me and drivers that once you get close to another driver, you lose all sorts of advantage. It's the same for everyone on track but it would be nice to have a bit more closing speed and overtaking. I don't think there would be much disagreement from anyone but how to make that happen is more complicated than I can imagine



I was watching live timing and scoring during the race. Rahal was running around at the back of the field and was often turning laps 1-2 mph faster than the leaders, but I think he only passed two cars the whole race. Perhaps we need an aero package for each track. I'm sure that idea will be welcomed by all the team owners...
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I was watching live timing and scoring during the race. Rahal was running around at the back of the field and was often turning laps 1-2 mph faster than the leaders, but I think he only passed two cars the whole race. Perhaps we need an aero package for each track. I'm sure that idea will be welcomed by all the team owners...
I don't care if they slow down overall but I want as little aero as possible and things as simple as possible so alternating aero at all the tracks are your words, not mine. Pitch away to the owners, if you want.
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I was watching live timing and scoring during the race. Rahal was running around at the back of the field and was often turning laps 1-2 mph faster than the leaders, but I think he only passed two cars the whole race. Perhaps we need an aero package for each track. I'm sure that idea will be welcomed by all the team owners...
He finished 17th at Texas. Don't forget that was the first time they had run the Aeroscreen in a race, so how the cars would run in race conditions on an oval, was largely unknown. Al they would have had to go on, was the limited time they had for practice and qualifying, which was all crammed into the afternoon.
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