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Lewis Hamilton | 22 | 22.00% | |
Michael Schumacher | 11 | 11.00% | |
Juan Manuel Fangio | 6 | 6.00% | |
Alain Prost | 7 | 7.00% | |
Ayrton Senna | 22 | 22.00% | |
Jackie Stewart | 0 | 0% | |
Jim Clark | 17 | 17.00% | |
Alberto Ascari | 0 | 0% | |
Fernando Alonso | 1 | 1.00% | |
Niki Lauda | 3 | 3.00% | |
Stirling Moss | 2 | 2.00% | |
Sebastian Vettel | 0 | 0% | |
Nigel Mansell | 1 | 1.00% | |
Nelson Piquet | 0 | 0% | |
James Hunt | 0 | 0% | |
Mika Hakkinen | 0 | 0% | |
Giles Villeneuve | 2 | 2.00% | |
Max Verstappen | 0 | 0% | |
Nico Rosberg | 0 | 0% | |
Jack Brabham | 4 | 4.00% | |
Carlos Reutemann | 0 | 0% | |
Jochen Rindt | 0 | 0% | |
Ronnie Peterson | 1 | 1.00% | |
Kimi Raikkonen | 1 | 1.00% | |
Graham Hill | 0 | 0% | |
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28 May 2021, 14:15 (Ref:4053671) | #376 | |||
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It was the opposite approach to what had been used in the '20s and '30s, where you were penalised for not participating. |
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To reiterate what crmalcolm said a few posts previous, I've also seen reference to many teams deciding not to contest all rounds of the championship. I can't remember the last time a major championship contending team decided not to race in every round of the championship (except on grounds relating to finance, health, respect of a deceased member of the community etc). However, I believe it was common enough practice in the World Rally Championship right into the 1990s and, hence, you would often see event winners coming from a pool of local privateers.
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Although, just to add, that also may have been down to other obvious reasons like attrition...maybe someone else knows better.
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I’ve read too it was so drivers wouldn’t lose out so much if their car was unreliable
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Who is the Greatest F1 driver of all time?
It’s weird, I’ve yet to see any full explanation of why it was introduced in the first place. But I did read they introduced the best 11 scores due to concerns of reliability of the turbos
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The dropped score rule was introduced long before the turbo era. The explanation given by crmalcolm in post #376 makes sense. Back to who is the GOAT. |
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I wonder if "drop your worst" might lead to better racing.
Would a driver be more likely to try a daring, spectacular pass, if he knew that if he crashed, he could drop that race and get no penalty? At the moment he will settle for a lower place a some points are better than none. Add excitement as the drivers do the desperate Its less of a Forced Gimmick than DRS that the purists hate thoughts? |
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If a driver attempted a daring, spectacular pass and crashed, and depending on how much damage was done to the car, the crash could eliminate them from the race without the need to drop the race. |
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Personally, dropped scores is not something I would be in favour of reintroducing, simply because I believe that consistently should be rewarded over the season, and if one car is more reliable than the other in the title fight, that should be rewarded, rather than effectively cancelled.
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We've strayed a bit from the GOAT - but whilst we are on the subject of 'dropping' races...
Personally, I think there is some scope in introducing a rule where teams have to nominate a substitute driver for two rounds of the season. Those nominations would be made ahead of the season, submitted in secret to only be revealed the weekend before the substitute is due to drive. This would see the development drivers getting a chance to experience a full weekend, and the teams would have to be selective over which rounds their main driver(s) have to sit out. Imagine the situation - Red Bull rest Verstappen for Monza, expecting it to be one of their worst tracks - and the substitute scores a race win! |
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Would LH have more or less titles if dropped scores/races were allowed?
Personally i think if reintroduced it would confuse things. Would moderns fans warm to the idea and is there anything comparable in modern sport? Sports like gymnastics and figure skating drop lowest (and highest) scores and that is accepted due to the very subjective nature of their scoring...sometimes its so bad that i wonder if they can even be called sport anymore? Bit biased because i have been following Simone Biles story...amazing how some are so adamant on denying a competitor's excellence simply because they can do things others cant. This one is particularly poignant to me but these are the times we live in. Sports has to be about pushing the envelope and recognising the accomplishments of new talent. Once it stops being that, its just a discussion topic resigned to the annals history imo. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esq...ike-explained/ |
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I've never liked the dropped score rule, as is it penalises the driver for doing nothing wrong. Hopefully it will never come back.
I see the poll so far has a three way tie, between Clark, Hamilton and Senna. |
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I agree dropped scores shouldn't come back. We have enough complicated rules as it is.
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The first was in the outset of the initial WDC. At the time, most teams either couldn't afford, or opted not, to compete in every round. The schedules were inconsistent, and so in recognition of this a system of only recording a portion of these results was adopted. Over time, this also broke the season into two parts for scoring. (52Paddy refers) The second was when dropped scores was retained over the whole of a season, when the season was no longer split in two. During this era of increasing turbo participation, there seems to be an opinion that this was to counter the reliability factor of turbo engines, possibly to encourage their development? (S Griffin refers) Finally, there was talk of dropped scores being re-introduced for the 2020 season, as a result of COVID restrictions. The organisers were nervous about gaps on the grid from COVID-affected entries swaying the overall result of the championship. Ultimately this never happened, although it was apparently a very close to reality option. Why are all of these linked - and in the context of GOAT. We have already discussed the impact of GOAT-ness based on factors outside of driver control. Are certain titles not as valued because of the car dominance, or because of overall season record? The same would have been true if a driver had lost the title in 2020 because of missing round(s) through COVID. And this is what all of the reasons for dropping scores have been designed to achieve - to allow a driver a 'fair' challenge on the title, taking into consideration factors beyond their control If your team is only going to be entered into a certain number of rounds - then we'll allow you to 'drop' scores. If your car is only going to finish a certain number of rounds - then we'll allow you to 'drop' scores. If you are going to be excluded from participating in a certain number of rounds because of a pandemic - then we'll allow you to 'drop' scores. With the current reliability, it seems unlikely that dropped scores will return. But if there is a circumstance arising that may mean a driver will have to miss events due to factors beyond their control, I think it should always remain an option on the table. |
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as a basic premise, i agree that nothing should be taken off the table as there may be scenarios (often unforeseeable) where it does make sense.
for example, if some venue wanted to pay a stupid amount of money to have (in season) F1 cars run but swap the drivers around (a what if race with Max in a Merc and LH in a RB for example), i would very much love to see that and would understand the need to exclude those results form the championship proper. but im not sure i would accept a covid/health related reason to drop race scores though...then why not then allow for drops to mitigate any manner of health reasons from potential broken limbs to general fatigue? in relation to the GOAT thread, perhaps perseverance though injury should not be dismissed as a GOAT attribute? i accept that anyone can catch covid and being out there does expose drivers/team to extra risks they wouldnt otherwise be exposed to...but if the risk is equal among all the drivers should there still be scoring exemptions? likewise, the team is still free to race their car and collect constructor points despite having to run a less experienced driver as their replacement or should constructors also be allowed to drop race scores as well? and yes, talking about this in the abstract means i will only suggest scenarios that more easily fit my point of view on this! |
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