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Old 16 Oct 2005, 10:22 (Ref:1434925)   #1
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Your top ten drivers from the 2005 Formula 1 season

The season is over, the last of the 19 races has drawn to a close and we head into the winter of discontent.

It has been a largely entertaining season with many a standout performance.

We’ve had a new world champion crowned as well.

But, in true Autocourse style, who makes your personal top ten of the drivers this season, taking into account the machinery at their disposal and any other elements?

Here’s mine:

1 - Fernando Alonso. World champion, flawless performer. Possibly the most well judged, near perfect season I have ever seen from anyone. Faster than people give him credit for as well!

2 - Kimi Raikkonen. Not as perfect as Alonso, but certainly as quick. Will be disappointed that he didn’t take the crown after such effort and a clear car advantage most of the season. Plenty of years left to try again though!

3 - David Coulthard. I hold my hands up, I did not expect such a stunning performance from DC this season. But I am well impressed with him, he seems to have a new lease of life and it is actually a joy to have him around!

4 - Juan Pablo Montoya. Immensely disappointing first half of the season because of shoulder injury and the ensuing incidents. But got his game together in Canada and has been every bit a match for his teamamte since. Stunning drive at brazil the highlight, look out for him next year!

5 - Nick Heidfeld. After what seemed an eternity, Williams finally took the decision to sign Quick Nick for the ’05 season and what a shrewd choice. Outperformed his much vaunted teammate repeatedly, taking three podiums. Season ended on sour note with injuries, but still a class act.

6 - Michael Schumacher. - After five years of dominance, you’d think the determination and will to win would ebb away. Not a chance. Still more than capable of wringing more out of a car than it is capable of, but there have been some lacklustre displays as well this season. Can he bounce back next season?

7 - Jarno Trulli. - Considerably smaller pay than his teammate, yet got the job done rather more effectively for the vast majority of the season. Things petered out in typical Trulli fashion towards the end and he could often be seen holding back a vast train of cars during races, but overall has been very good and his qualifying in particular has been mesmerising.

8 - Jenson Button. - A character building display for the supposed “British hope” and one he’ll want to forget. Couldn’t really do any more in all honesty and grabbed a couple of podiums and a pole at least along his troubled way. Contract talk became tedious though.

9 - Ralf Schumacher. - Sluggish, no worse than sluggish, start made Ralf look typically overrated. His manager must do a good job selling him for that pay-packet. But really got his act together from mid-season and even overhauled his teammate in the points table which is interesting to say the least. 2006 format front end on TF105B suits him, could surprise next year if he actually turns up before mid-season.

10 - Giancarlo Fisichella. - The Renault drivers bookend the top ten, which is surprising given that they won the constructors title. But Fisi has been nowhere near Alonso all year and has been very patchy in his form. His win in Melbourne was lucky and owed more to qualifying rain than anything else, but it was well executed. Mechanical problems then intervened and combined with some poor driving. Low point came at Japanese GP where his defence of a comfortable, race winning lead was somewhat floppy. Must do better next year.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 10:41 (Ref:1434939)   #2
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These are mine in this order

Alonso: Obviously he is the champion
Kimi: He did the best he could with an unreliable Mc Laren.
Nick: Great drives, a pole position and 2 podium finishes for someone who was confirmed in the last minute in a crap of a car.
Montoya: He managed 3 wins despite an injury, a squalification, a lot of shunts from other drivers and also track mishaps
Coulthard: Seems rejuvinated in a new RBR Car
Jenson: Yes he is a good driver, not a great one, but a good one
Trulli: Good start of the season for him, although he seems not to be liking the latest version of his car
Klien: Had to fight for his seat and also stay as a sub. A couple of finishes in front of his experienced team mate
Fisichella: Helped Alonso enough to grab the Contructors' championship too apart from the victory in Australia
Monteiro: A very promising rookie.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 10:48 (Ref:1434943)   #3
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Pretty much agree with Knowlesy, although I would probably swap JPM and DC around. However, I do think DC has driven superbly most of the season and had one or two drives (like today) where for reasons outside his control, he failed to score deserved points. However, in the light of all the stick DC has had in recent seasons, that we are placing him inside the top 6, says it all.

I might also drop Fisi off the list and perhaps put Mark Webber at 10th. I think he has put some strong end of season drives in.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 10:51 (Ref:1434944)   #4
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1= Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen Both showed the signs that they are the next era of F1 - Alonso getting a stranglehold on the season early on and then driving as he had to to secure the title before showing is what he's made of at Suzuka and Shanghai. Kimi - blindingly fast too - he had to throw caution to the wind and he did.


3: Nick Heidfeld At the start of the season he was scrabbling to stay in F1 but his performances have earned him a long-term contract with BMW. Technical skills rated highly by the engineers too.


4: David Coulthard Team leader for the first time in his career effectively - and he delivered in style. Still the ultimate professional with a human side.

5: Jenson Button Generally got all that could be extracted from a difficult race car and comprehensively demolished his team-mate

6: Juan Pablo Montoya From Silverstone to Interlagos, generally the fastest man out there

7: Michael Schumacher Yes, there were some good drives in adversity - but he seems to have rather reversed into third in the championship. A lot of races he was anonymous - and Shanghai was possibly the worst day he's had in an F1 car for a very long time

8: Giancarlo Fisichella Won a race and helped Renault to the constructors title - but proved to be no match for Alonso - and folded like a cheap tent on occasion


9=: Ralf Schumacher and Jarno Trulli Progressed Toyota - with podiums and poles




Honorable mentions to: Klien, Webber, Monteiro


Disappointing: Barrichello, Sato, Villeneuve
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:20 (Ref:1434962)   #5
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1. alonso, winning the title in style, more than fullfilling the expectations, and outclassing his teammate completly.

2. michael, even in a season with a lot of incidents and with a quiet inferiour package he delivered more than probably anyone else would have done in his place. to beat montoya and fisico in the championship shows he's still the man.
also I was amazed by his fighting spirit for minor placings.

3. kimi, if not for some dnf's would have made a great battle for the title. showed great speed and also consistency, albeit some mistakes leave room for improvement.

4. nick, after battling for a race seat, he showed that he truly deserves a chance in a good car. very mature display for most of the season, only doubt remains regarding webbers superiority in qualy.

5. dc, before the season, I thought it's time to retire for him, but I must admit, I liked him better than in his late mcl years. with a surprisingly good car he did an equal job.

6. button, did quiet well considering his equipment. made mistakes under pressure and under contract.

7. massa, was frequently faster than his teammate and drove more mature than he was famous for. will have a make or break next season...

8. monty, after taking a bit too long to come to grips with the car and himself, he showed the expected speed and some great performances. not enough with the fastest car in my book, but like every year he leaves us with hope for the next.

9. ralf, like knowlesy mentioned absent for the first half of the races (and specially qualys), but managed to fight back against an impressive trulli in the second half.

10. trulli, amazing in the early part of the year, but faded later on heavily. also the battle between alonso and fisico merits his performance from last season even more.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:22 (Ref:1434965)   #6
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1 Alonso
2 Raikkonen
3 Montoya
4 Michael
5 Coulthard
6 Button
7 Heidfeld
8 Ralf
9 Webber
10 Trulli

Doesn't seem to be too much argument here. Fernando and Kimi were generally head and shoulders above the rest, and both really shone in their circusmtances, but I feel that Fernando's management job on the tite makes him the mroe imrpessive driver. Coulthard and Ralf have really rebuilt their reputations this year.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:30 (Ref:1434976)   #7
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1. FA and KR
3. DC, JPM, JB
6. MS, NH, JT
9. RS, MW

Barrichello has been terribly dissapointing, but that was just what I expected. He's not good enough to be ANYWHERE if he doesn't have the best car by a few seconds. Sato has been disastrous, but again that's not a surprise. Villeneuve proved that he's just not good enough anymore. None of the four drivers of Jordan and Minardi was impressive, although Monteiro made it through the races. Fisi was nowhere. There's no way I'm awarding him anything just because he won a race with that car. I expected much more from him.

Klien was very good, I think he's much better than Liuzzi. Massa was nowhere, he wasn't very bad, but he wasn't very good I don't remember anything from him this year.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:36 (Ref:1434984)   #8
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2. michael, even in a season with a lot of incidents and with a quiet inferiour package he delivered more than probably anyone else would have done in his place. to beat montoya and fisico in the championship shows he's still the man.
How does this show ANYTHING? JPM missed two races and had 2 stupid crashes and Fisico was a disaster. Plus, he ran an extra race at Indy.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:40 (Ref:1434989)   #9
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Just a thought - if Williams had not made the extremely unusual decision to pit Heidfeld first at Monaco then Webber and Heidfeld would have been equal on points before Nick's injury....and if Fisi had not taken Webber out in Malaysia then Webber likely would have been leading Nick by 7 points...and then there's Mark's strong end of season form to consider.

How is it then that Nick makes some people's top 5 and Mark doesn't even make the top 10? (yes, i know it's only your opinion but it's got to be based on something)

Are we rating drivers against other drivers or against their (media) reputations?

As for my top 10, I'll have to give this a bit more consideration before putting pen to paper as it were.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:42 (Ref:1434990)   #10
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How is it then that Nick makes some people's top 5 and Mark doesn't even make the top 10? (yes, i know it's only your opinion but it's got to be based on something)

It's based on expectation.

We were told before the season that Mark would be the new Fangio.

He wasn't
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:44 (Ref:1434991)   #11
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Yes, but what if Nick hadn't blown up at Bahrain, or...blah, blah, blah....

Rate them how you will, just be considered. It is your personal top ten, how drivers have performed with the car at their disposal.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:51 (Ref:1435000)   #12
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1. Fernando Alonso
- Great start for season and then did the job he needed except Canadian race.

2. Kimi Räikkönen
- For most of the season he had the fastest car so it was not surprising to see him winning races.

3. Michael Schumacher
- Still some great races but also more mistakes than in his championship years

4. David Coulthard
- After leaving McLaren he still showed some great moments.

5. Juan Pablo Montoya
- Better of 2nd drivers of top 2 teams. Some mistakes but went better as the season progressed

6. Giancarlo Fisichella
- After a little lucky win he went through difficult moments. Some flashes of good racing like in Canada.

7. Jarno Trulli
- Great start and great qualifier. Qualifying moments get him ahead of Ralf in my books.

8. Ralf Schumacher
- Went better and better all season. Retired only once IIRC.

9. Jenson Button
- Recovered after awful start. Two podiums and finishing every race in the points since France.

10. Nick Heidfeld
- Surprisingly had more points than Webber at the time of his injury

I list others too with no comments
11. Christian Klien
12. Mark Webber
13. Felipe Massa
14. Tiago Monteiro
15. Rubens Barrichello
16. Christijan Albers
17. Narain Karthikeyan
18. Jacques Villeneuve
19. Robert Doornbos
20. Vitantonio Liuzzi
21. Takuma Sato
22. Antonio Pizzonia
23. Patrick Friesacher

I didn't rank drivers with one race (de la Rosa, Wurz, Davidson, Zonta)
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:55 (Ref:1435011)   #13
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It's based on expectation.

We were told before the season that Mark would be the new Fangio.

He wasn't
Well thankyou for at least confirming that you weren't rating his driving against that of the other 19 drivers on the grid but were merely penalising him for the hype in the media about him.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 11:58 (Ref:1435013)   #14
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4. Juan Pablo Montoya
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7. Nick heidfeld
8. Rubens Barrichello
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 12:00 (Ref:1435016)   #15
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Yes, but what if Nick hadn't blown up at Bahrain, or...blah, blah, blah....

Rate them how you will, just be considered. It is your personal top ten, how drivers have performed with the car at their disposal.
OK, I consider the decision of Williams to pit the second of their cars in the race first to be very odd.

Even leaving aside the Fisi incident, if this had not happened they would be dead level on points - surely then they must be rated somewhere near each other.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 12:04 (Ref:1435023)   #16
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But that's not the point.

Did Williams' decision to pit Heidfeld first mean Webber drove worse? No, of course not. Positions can be somewhat meaningless.
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It's based on expectation.

We were told before the season that Mark would be the new Fangio.

He wasn't
Wasn't going to be either this year. As one of the other comment stated as they were praising the efforts of Nic, the car was crap.

I doubt Alonso would have achieved better results this year either if he was in the Williams, but I recon Webber would have got better results than Fisi actually did, if he had of been in the Renault.

All if's and but's I know. The one thing for sure is that Webber is a better driver than his results this year show.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 12:12 (Ref:1435035)   #18
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Then how exactly was Heidfeld bett....oh, never mind.

I don't think we're going to come to an agreement on this, so how about them Lakers?
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Well, I'll explain. Heidfeld seized his opportunities well and was very clean and tidy.

Webber missed some opportuinities (like his accident with Fisi at Malaysia - podium gone) and got into a few too many tangles and made more errors.

At least we've got some discussion here anyways, even if it is about the same parties.
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How does this show ANYTHING? JPM missed two races and had 2 stupid crashes and Fisico was a disaster. Plus, he ran an extra race at Indy.
all buts and ifs apart, it shows he achieved more in lesser equipment.
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1. Fernando Alonso - a true, well-deserving champion. He drove sensibly in what was the best car of the year (read best, not fastest). One mistake all year, and my highlight was that move on Michael Schumacher thru 130R. Still can't believe he did it!

2. David Coulthard - many reading this will ask 'why?', but he drove the wheels off that Red Bull. May not be crash hot at qually, but come race day, he's the man.

3. Kimi Raikkonen - I'm not going to hide the fact I don't like the guy, but hey, he drove really, really well sometimes. Just not well enough to beat Alonso.

4. Christian Klien - Most improved driver of the year, and caps off a great year for the Red Bull pair. Some terrific races, and I would say his race today has probably gained him a position or two. Would be a terrible shame if he ended up driving for STR and the car is a dog because this guy can go places if managed right.

5. Michael Schumacher - A terrible year for him, really, but the fact he was P3 in the WDC (okay, he would have probably been 4th or 5th if everyone had raced in the USA) shows what a true star he is. Put the car where it didn't belong, especially in Hungary and Imola, but just the fact he was so far ahead of Rubens in the same car gives him points in my book, because, let's face it, Rubens is no tugger.

6. Juan Pablo Montoya - I'm not sure what to make of his season, because he outpaced Kimi more often than not from Silverstone on, but before that he was no-where. I did think it would take him a while to get used to the car, but as I said, brilliant finish to the year (bar the final two races, where the points difference to Kimi blew out a bit)

7. Ralf Schumacher - I reckon he actually had a better year than Trulli. Look at qualifying vs. finishing position and you will find Ralf 90% of the time went up, while Trulli dropped. He smashed Trulli in the 2nd half of the season, and it all bodes well for another good teammate battle in '06.

8. Mark Webber - In qualifying, he was the man. Again, put the Williams where it shouldn't be, and was only outqualified 5 times. Solid finish to the year and hopefully the Williams Cosworth will be a good car...

9. Jenson Button - Vey solid finish to the year, but there were time early in the season where he should have been higher, but he just wasn't. I am still left to wonder a lot of the times, where does his mid race speed go, he just doesn't seem to have any. But, he did get a lot more out of the car than his teammate did.

10. Tiago Monteiro - Rookie of the Year, by a comfortable margin. A solid driver, maybe not super dooper Kimi/Fernando quick, but more like a Panis-esque driver, where 9 times out of 10 (or 18 times out of 19 ) he will bring the car home in one peice, and sometimes in the points. Hopefully we see him back in a better car. A team like Sauber would have fitted his talent well, but looks like only Midland is his option.


Dissapointing seasons for Sato, Barrichello, Fisichella and Villeneuve.
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Old 16 Oct 2005, 12:23 (Ref:1435050)   #22
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OK, I'll bite...

And despite Heidfeld supposedly seizing his opportunities, and Webber supposedly getting into tangles and making errors....they were level on points (if we correct the Monaco screw up, which we certainly should).

As for the Fisi incident, all I'll say is that the stewards fined Fisi, not Webber.
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Which says that Webber could have done better than he did!
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I want to put my 2c in on this one as well.

Fisi was badly at fault in Malaysia. Webber had already passed him, and Fisi went and tried to take the place back which was stupid, because his tyres were shot. Heidfeld, like nearly every race, was just sitting back and waiting, and there you go, 3rd place, right in his lap. Same as in Monaco, got the lucky break, and there's 2nd place, right in his lap, when he was never seriously going to have a go at Webber for position the way Michael did on Rubens. Same at the Nurburgring, Kimi throws his car off the track, and there you go, 2nd place, right in his lap.

See where I am going? At least Webber is willing to have a go, whereas Heidfeld just seems to sit back and wait for people in front to drop out/make mistakes.
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So you praise Webber for going for it, and criticise Fisichella for going for it? No driver has had more crashes this season than Webber, and while they haven't all been his fault, it does suggest that he needs to modify his approach if he is to acheive his potential. Also, Nick seems to have contributed a lot more behind the scenes in getting the car competitive.
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