Mr Cigar to start own team ? - Page 2

QuickSilver · 19 Dec 2005, 18:06 (Ref:1486840)

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Originally Posted by garcon

not that he's likely to wave more than a couple of fingers at JV.

most likely just one finger.

ASCII Man · 19 Dec 2005, 19:19 (Ref:1486882)

It's not exactly what I would expect from a professional like Richards to be making such insulting statements and hypothetically 'waving a finger' at drivers, or anyone for that matter.

If he can pull it off, then good for him.

But he certainly won't win any respect from me with it, which is all important as you all may know.

Guess not?

QuickSilver · 19 Dec 2005, 19:37 (Ref:1486893)

It's hard for me to say this, but I actually agree with half of what DR says and it's difficult to argue with the other half ... even if he is an arrogant boor, he's probably right. (Ouch, that hurt).
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BootsOntheSide · 19 Dec 2005, 21:27 (Ref:1486962)

You'd certainly fancy him to run a competitive F1 team more than Colin Kolles. Still, BAR did fine without him....

Dixie Flatline · 19 Dec 2005, 22:24 (Ref:1487010)

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver

It's hard for me to say this, but I actually agree with half of what DR says and it's difficult to argue with the other half ... even if he is an arrogant boor, he's probably right. (Ouch, that hurt).
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I tend to agree. I don't think what Richards had to say about many drivers was something extraordinary. Fisichella was disappointing. Montoya was disappointing.

Dixie Flatline · 19 Dec 2005, 22:31 (Ref:1487016)

The other thing I wanted to add is when I saw the title of the thread, I thought of Peter Sauber and wondered why he would be so keen to start a new team when he just sold his old one to BMW?

Boro · 20 Dec 2005, 18:19 (Ref:1487514)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

BAR achieved their best ever results on David's watch.

without winning anything

If you're managing a team and the best you could do was playing 2nd fiddle, that's hardly a high note on your CV.

Besides, his judgement of talent and skill should also be questioned.

who'd he get to replace JV?

and what's the replacement doing now?

edit: oh before i forget. add buttongate I to his portfolio of success too while u'r at it

QuickSilver · 20 Dec 2005, 18:36 (Ref:1487523)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

The other thing I wanted to add is when I saw the title of the thread, I thought of Peter Sauber and wondered why he would be so keen to start a new team when he just sold his old one to BMW?

Funny you should say that Dixie, when I saw the title of the thread, I thought Bill Clinton was going to start a new team.

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rallycrosscraig · 20 Dec 2005, 21:42 (Ref:1487653)

DR - quite a few question marks over the man:

So much stirring in the press - eg directed towards JV. Don't think we'd see that from Ron Dennis or Frank Williams, surely not necessary.

'Buttongate' - DR must have played a large part of that saga, not good.

Death of the WRC - (ok maybe thats a bit much) but DR has to stand up and take some responsibility for the slow death of the WRC - only 2 works teams in 2006 and no British drivers.

Rennen · 20 Dec 2005, 22:24 (Ref:1487676)

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Originally Posted by Boro

without winning anything

If you're managing a team and the best you could do was playing 2nd fiddle, that's hardly a high note on your CV.

"2nd fiddle" to the all conquering Ferrari steam roller was better than anyone else managed! And his choice of Button provided more points and podiums than JV ever managed there!

Captain Chaos · 20 Dec 2005, 23:35 (Ref:1487716)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

And his choice of Button provided more points and podiums than JV ever managed there!

Arguably in a much better car and in a much better atmosphere.
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Mr V · 20 Dec 2005, 23:38 (Ref:1487721)

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Originally Posted by Boro

without winning anything

If you're managing a team and the best you could do was playing 2nd fiddle, that's hardly a high note on your CV.

Which is still more than anyone else at BAR has so far managed!

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Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

Arguably in a much better car and in a much better atmosphere.
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Didn't Jenson out-perform JV in the same car too?

Captain Chaos · 20 Dec 2005, 23:39 (Ref:1487722)

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Funny you should say that Dixie, when I saw the title of the thread, I thought Bill Clinton was going to start a new team.

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Captain Chaos · 20 Dec 2005, 23:40 (Ref:1487723)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Didn't Jenson out-perform JV in the same car too?

Car yes, atmosphere no. I believe Jacques was shafted from the moment DR laid eyes on him.

Kicking-back · 20 Dec 2005, 23:44 (Ref:1487726)

I don't think that's exactly true.

He may have been shafted once DR got to know him a bit, however...

Captain Chaos · 20 Dec 2005, 23:47 (Ref:1487730)

... however?

That's a pretty big "however" you've got there KB.

Care to elaborate?

joe rossi · 21 Dec 2005, 00:00 (Ref:1487737)

and so it turns into a JV thread!

ASCII Man · 21 Dec 2005, 00:01 (Ref:1487739)

It's disturbing, isn't it?

Captain Chaos · 21 Dec 2005, 00:06 (Ref:1487744)

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Originally Posted by joe rossi

and so it turns into a JV thread!

whoops, mea culpa. let's keep it about DR.

overflow · 21 Dec 2005, 00:37 (Ref:1487753)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

I tend to agree. I don't think what Richards had to say about many drivers was something extraordinary. Fisichella was disappointing. Montoya was disappointing.

Interesting his observations on Webber & Hiedfield . Debunks a few over the top statements on their relative abilities..The silence is etc , etc !!!!

Louis B. · 21 Dec 2005, 00:55 (Ref:1487758)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

And his choice of Button provided more points and podiums than JV ever managed there!

As with William's choice of JV provided more podiums and championship than Button ever managed with Williams!!! Come on, you cannot compare results obtained over different years racing different cars (BTW, Jenson did not get more podiums than Villeneuve when they were both racing the same car and while JV had to race in the awful atmosphere orchestrated by DR).

Louis B. · 21 Dec 2005, 01:03 (Ref:1487762)

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Originally Posted by joe rossi

and so it turns into a JV thread!

So be it. The ditching of JV by BAR as well as Buttongate I are important elements of DR's career in f1 such that you, the mods and the quasi-mods cannot expect that a thread devoted to DR does not have mentions to JV.

Marbot · 21 Dec 2005, 01:33 (Ref:1487774)

Erm......so Dave Richards starting up his own team is generally thought to be a good idea then.2008 can't come soon enough.

And if Bill Clinton or any other cigar smoking dudes want to set up there own team,then so much the better IMO.

JABWOA · 21 Dec 2005, 03:17 (Ref:1487788)

Just as long as it's not that old man with the habit from the X-Files, else you think there are conspiracies in F1 now...

Hazza · 21 Dec 2005, 03:57 (Ref:1487795)

I thought you guys were talking about Haas.

Mega

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