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Old 24 Nov 2020, 21:47 (Ref:4018601)   #501
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...indeed, and it would lead to manufacturer backed teams disappearing entirely I should think.

Mr Gow ain't daft, no doubts in my mind they are working on it.
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Old 24 Nov 2020, 22:16 (Ref:4018603)   #502
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I think Cicely will have the new A Class Saloon/CLA. More slippery than the hatch back, but similar dimensions to the Focus which was proven to work well this year. Plus the CLA looks great!

They could even badge it as a 250e to try and attract some support from Mercedes UK
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Old 24 Nov 2020, 23:01 (Ref:4018608)   #503
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I think Cicely will have the new A Class Saloon/CLA. More slippery than the hatch back, but similar dimensions to the Focus which was proven to work well this year. Plus the CLA looks great!

They could even badge it as a 250e to try and attract some support from Mercedes UK
If they are sticking to Mercedes, I guess part of the decision comes down to whether they want to go down the RWD route or not?
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 00:27 (Ref:4018614)   #504
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If they are sticking to Mercedes, I guess part of the decision comes down to whether they want to go down the RWD route or not?
If the car is AWD the engine can't be rotated orientation, EG if its transverse then it'll have to be built FWD as per the regs. So I'm going with AMG45 badging.

In addition, the CLAs are front drive only.
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 05:54 (Ref:4018626)   #505
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I've heard from a very reliable source that Ciceley are 100% going with an existing car purchased from the team that builds them.

I've also heard from another very reliable source that they are 100% building their own brand new model from the manufacturer they currently have ties to...

Guess we'll find out in a couple of hours 😂
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 08:00 (Ref:4018640)   #506
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So it's a BMW 3-Series for Ciceley from 2021.
Morgan continues - looking for a new teammate.
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 08:01 (Ref:4018642)   #507
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Cicely with two BMW 3
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 08:04 (Ref:4018643)   #508
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Well, it's a bit of a shame to be down another brand but a good move for them. A very desirable seat on offer alongside Morgan.
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 08:17 (Ref:4018646)   #509
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Confirmed Entries   
Power MaxedVauxhall AstraPlatoConfirmed in press release
Power MaxedVauxhall Astra???Confirmed in press release
Team DynamicsHonda Civic FK8CammishConfirmed in press release
Team DynamicsHonda Civic FK8???Confirmed in press release, Neal talked about options away from racing
HARDCupra LeonGoff?Confirmed in press release
HARDCupra Leon???Confirmed in press release
HARDCupra Leon???Third car referred to in social media
Ciceley MotorsportBMW 330iMorganConfirmed in press release
Ciceley MotorsportBMW 330i???Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price CarsHyundai i30???Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price CarsHyundai i30???Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price CarsHyundai i30???Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price CarsHyundai i30???Confirmed in press release
MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square???HillConfirmed in press release
MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square?????? 
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SpeedworksToyota CorollaIngram 
Laser ToolsInfiniti Q50Moffat 
Laser ToolsInfiniti Q50Sutton 
HARDBMW 125iBoardley 
BTC RacingHonda Civic FK8??? 
BTC RacingHonda Civic FK8??? 
BTC RacingHonda Civic FK8??? 
MotorbaseFord FocusButcherTalked about plans for second season in the car during interview
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SpeedworksToyota Corolla???Stated as planning for two cars at a given point
??????Parfitt JrPublicising an attempt to be on the grid
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 09:03 (Ref:4018652)   #510
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Sooo - place a bet on Cammish to win the 2021 title? Mr Gow will want to stem the tide of RWD cars so what better way than to have a FWD title winner next season.

The other question is - will the Ciceley cars be new builds or will WSR run new builds and give Ciceley the older cars?
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 09:17 (Ref:4018655)   #511
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The article says:

'The deal was concluded to purchase two new cars from multiple championship-winning squad WSR'

Although you could be pedantic and say any BMW would be new to Ciceley...
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Old 25 Nov 2020, 09:43 (Ref:4018660)   #512
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doesn't say if there will be any telemetry sharing and setup data
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Sooo - place a bet on Cammish to win the 2021 title? Mr Gow will want to stem the tide of RWD cars so what better way than to have a FWD title winner next season.

The other question is - will the Ciceley cars be new builds or will WSR run new builds and give Ciceley the older cars?
I am thinking there will be additional measures for 2021 to curb the speed of the RWD cars, (whether that is warranted or not is another matter).
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'the first of the team's BMWs is scheduled for delivery in the second week of January, with the next one following a month later, and that the team plans to start testing alongside WSR at the beginning of March.'
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Sooo - place a bet on Cammish to win the 2021 title? Mr Gow will want to stem the tide of RWD cars so what better way than to have a FWD title winner next season.

The other question is - will the Ciceley cars be new builds or will WSR run new builds and give Ciceley the older cars?
Cammish is not necessarily a certainty, if Rory Butcher doesn't have the bad luck he had this year he could be the one.
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Nowt signed as I understand but Dan and the Neals are working on it - both parties want to continue together.
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Nowt signed as I understand but Dan and the Neals are working on it - both parties want to continue together.
Do you mean beyond 2021?

2nd October 2019 - 'Team Dynamics are delighted to announce that they have agreed a new two-year contract with Leeds-born driver Dan Cammish'

Dave Hodgetts – Managing Director Honda UK added "we are delighted that Dan will be driving for us in both 2020 and 2021"

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no way Lord Gow will not slap some (more) RWD penalty now, the past 4 titles were RWD and now they increase on the grid
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Do you mean beyond 2021?

2nd October 2019 - 'Team Dynamics are delighted to announce that they have agreed a new two-year contract with Leeds-born driver Dan Cammish'

Dave Hodgetts – Managing Director Honda UK added "we are delighted that Dan will be driving for us in both 2020 and 2021"
If Honda are involved.......If his deal is with Honda not Dynamics .........
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If Honda are involved.......If his deal is with Honda not Dynamics .........
I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

He has a contract to drive for Team Dynamics in 2021. Honda are backing the team as a manufacturer entry.

Andy Randall – Managing Director of Halfords Autocentres finished by saying “We are thrilled that Dan has signed for Halfords Yuasa Racing for another two years

Halfords, Yuasa and Honda have all described him as driving for them. It's just how backing a team in the btcc works.....
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no way Lord Gow will not slap some (more) RWD penalty now, the past 4 titles were RWD and now they increase on the grid
I guess you have to factor in the driving performance of Turkington and Sutton. I mean look at Moffat and Oliphant, both are in RWD machinery and are very credible drivers, yet are often 10+ places behind their respective team leaders. Again look at Jelly and Boardley, both ran RWD, yet they aren't really at the front.
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Yeah, both Turkington and Sutton did a very good job this season. However I don’t think Oliphant was that far back, he’s steadily improving. Moffat seems to be in the midfield. Jelley was a bit too up and down, while Boardley did ok I thought
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HARD. have announced that their first driver for 2021 has signed.
The accompanying image shows someone wearing a casio watch - which has resulted in the inevitable speculation that it is TOC who has signed.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

He has a contract to drive for Team Dynamics in 2021. Honda are backing the team as a manufacturer entry.

Andy Randall – Managing Director of Halfords Autocentres finished by saying “We are thrilled that Dan has signed for Halfords Yuasa Racing for another two years

Halfords, Yuasa and Honda have all described him as driving for them. It's just how backing a team in the btcc works.....
A lot has happened since then. Honda is closing UK manufacturing , sales are on the floor, FK8 sales slow , new model due. If Cammish or tied to Honda then the ice is probably thinner than it was a year ago. Maybe Dynamics will need drivers with budget
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Yeah, both Turkington and Sutton did a very good job this season. However I don’t think Oliphant was that far back, he’s steadily improving. Moffat seems to be in the midfield. Jelley was a bit too up and down, while Boardley did ok I thought
If it's watch related in could also be his cousin TIC.
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