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**Aysedasi** · 16 Nov 2020, 14:40 (Ref:4017268)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Whisk the teams onto mystery planes each race weekend.

I like that idea!

Knowlesy · 16 Nov 2020, 14:57 (Ref:4017271)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

That would certainly stir things up a bit! Although it would be harder for fans going to events not knowing what GP is next! Seriously though if we could cut more downforce and not let technology overtake the drivers, as it has in the past, we would be fine and we wouldn’t necessarily need a crazy race to keep our interest

The fan solution is easy. Put them on a mystery boat and dump them in Antarctica.

**Adam43** · 16 Nov 2020, 15:36 (Ref:4017277)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Whisk the teams onto mystery planes each race weekend.

And accidentally send Mercedes to a different country.

Knowlesy · 16 Nov 2020, 16:18 (Ref:4017282)

They'd still win.

TrapezeArtist · 16 Nov 2020, 16:23 (Ref:4017283)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Seriously though if we could cut more downforce and not let technology overtake the drivers, ....

The trouble is, we have cars that could drive on the ceiling at 100 mph and all the FIA does is occasionally mumble about reducing downforce by 10%. Then they introduce some rule that reduces it by 5% and within next to no time the teams have added a few more twiddly bits and have more downforce than before. No wings: that would be the solution (or a start, at least).

GT6 · 16 Nov 2020, 16:46 (Ref:4017288)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

They'd still win.

All the other drivers would not know which way to go they have got so used to following the mercedes cars

S griffin · 17 Nov 2020, 22:00 (Ref:4017557)

All it needs is someone like Raikkonen to get back up there and we’ll see someone who won’t care about following a Merc, he’ll just get up in the lead when he can. Then we’d have a proper race

Mogster · 18 Nov 2020, 19:21 (Ref:4017743)

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Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

The trouble is, we have cars that could drive on the ceiling at 100 mph and all the FIA does is occasionally mumble about reducing downforce by 10%. Then they introduce some rule that reduces it by 5% and within next to no time the teams have added a few more twiddly bits and have more downforce than before. No wings: that would be the solution (or a start, at least).

F1 is about fast, sharp cars, not 1000bhp formula Ford. It’s not the “downforce” that’s the problem but the turbulent aero wake created to the side and behind each car. It’s the aero wake that prevents the cars running close together as it contaminates the following cars aero. The biggest mistake was the removal of under body downforce with the plank in 1994, downforce generated under the car isn’t as easily contaminated by aero wake. As soon as under body downforce was limited the teams started to pile aero development on the top of the car, soon after you hear the statement that’s plagued F1 ever since “I can’t follow”.

For the 2022 regs the team did look at many different configurations, including tiny and no wings. The final draft has a large simple rear wing as its function is to toss the following aero wake upwards, no wing just pours the wake on the following car. 2022 is going to be very very interesting. Finally FOM/FIA have completed a detailed analysis to try to understand the “following” issue that has plagued F1 for 25 years and produced regs to attempt to fix it.

S griffin · 19 Nov 2020, 11:53 (Ref:4017848)

Overall I rated the race a 6. Not the best race, but a nice change from the norm due to the conditions

ASCII Man · 19 Nov 2020, 19:30 (Ref:4017921)

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Originally Posted by Mogster

F1 is about fast, sharp cars, not 1000bhp formula Ford. It’s not the “downforce” that’s the problem but the turbulent aero wake created to the side and behind each car. It’s the aero wake that prevents the cars running close together as it contaminates the following cars aero. The biggest mistake was the removal of under body downforce with the plank in 1994, downforce generated under the car isn’t as easily contaminated by aero wake. As soon as under body downforce was limited the teams started to pile aero development on the top of the car, soon after you hear the statement that’s plagued F1 ever since “I can’t follow”.

For the 2022 regs the team did look at many different configurations, including tiny and no wings. The final draft has a large simple rear wing as its function is to toss the following aero wake upwards, no wing just pours the wake on the following car. 2022 is going to be very very interesting. Finally FOM/FIA have completed a detailed analysis to try to understand the “following” issue that has plagued F1 for 25 years and produced regs to attempt to fix it.

Everything after 'F1 is' is merely opinion. Everyone has their own idea of what F1 is, but MINE is the only correct one!

But seriously, there's some seriously flawed logic and grasp of aerodynamics in that post.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 20 Nov 2020, 04:45 (Ref:4017972)

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Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Everything after 'F1 is' is merely opinion. Everyone has their own idea of what F1 is, but MINE is the only correct one!

But seriously, there's some seriously flawed logic and grasp of aerodynamics in that post.

Doesn't the wake from the car in front prevent the car following, from getting closer?

S griffin · 20 Nov 2020, 06:23 (Ref:4017978)

Yes and it's been a problem for too long, made even worse by the ingenious idea to increase the downforce on cars in 2017

ASCII Man · 20 Nov 2020, 20:13 (Ref:4018082)

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Doesn't the wake from the car in front prevent the car following, from getting closer?

The wake makes it easier to get closer, just going out of the wake to pass is like opening a parachute.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 20 Nov 2020, 20:35 (Ref:4018083)

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Originally Posted by ASCII Man

The wake makes it easier to get closer, just going out of the wake to pass is like opening a parachute.

A quick question, as I go completely off topic but I'm sure I will be back on it very soon, what then is dirty air?

crmalcolm · 20 Nov 2020, 21:05 (Ref:4018087)

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/f1-playbook/dirty-air/

As air passes over a Formula 1 car’s surfaces it produces a wake of turbulent air that hampers the aerodynamic flow of cars directly behind it. This wake – nicknamed ‘dirty air’ – can be of benefit to a following car on the straight, as the car in front is effectively punching a hole in the air and doing more work.

Dirty air does, however, hamper the efficiency of the following car’s own aerodynamic surfaces, reducing downforce, making it slower in the turns, and limiting the effectiveness of the cooling system.