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Old 28 Nov 2009, 11:12 (Ref:2590727)   #1
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1984 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results

The BTCC home page has updated their yearly point standings at some point:

http://www.btcc.net/html/history_standings.php

1983 and 1984 has made me wonder a bit, though. The TWR Rovers were excluded from the 1983 results, but it only seems that Steve Soper is missing from the standings!
Part way through 1984 Austin Rover retired from the BTCC because of the Soper exclusion of '83 was finally decided, but somehow all MG and Rover factory drivers has ended up with 0 points although they did finish in the points in individual races before the retirement. What's that about?

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I'm not completely sure, but IIRC, but when John Davenport pulled the cars out in June '84 he/ARG asked that points be nullified, even though the actual entries for the 6 cars remained?

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I'm not completely sure, but IIRC, but when John Davenport pulled the cars out in June '84 he/ARG asked that points be nullified, even though the actual entries for the 6 cars remained?
I think that's my rough memory of what happened as well- the actual race results still stood, but ARG withdrew any claim to the championsip points scored

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1984 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results

Since 1984 is the year discussed, I might as well start my quest to fill in my massive gaps of 1980s group A style BTCC by posting what I know:

Round 1 of 11 the RAC Tricentrol British Touring Car Championship
March 25, 1984 at Donington Park

Result
1. #7 Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse

Since that is what I know, the qualifying results might be more of more use to tell who was there. These results might have been copied from an MG Metro Turbo sales add from a few years back – can't remember.

Position / number / driver / team (my guess) / class / car / time
1./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.07
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.07
3./ #20 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.17
4./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi / 1:20.28
5./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi / 1:20.40
6./ #10 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.88
7./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra / 1:21.28
8./ #4 / Dennis Leech / Leech / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:21.72
9./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo / 1:21.91
10./ #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo / 1:22.59
11./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:23.23
12./ #35 / Robin Brundle / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo / 1:24.10
13./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.11
14./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:25.27
15./ #32 / Rob Kirby / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.36
16./ #41 / Paul Smith / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.55
17./ #33 / John Morris / Morris / B / VW Scirocco GTI / 1:25.82
18./ #51 / Alan Greenhalgh / C / Ford Escort RS1600i* / 1:26.24
19./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:27.81
20./ #77 / Richard Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:28.13
21./ #38 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo / 1:31.57
22./ #84 / Barry Lee / Lee / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:32.89
23./ #31 / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / B / Vauxhall Astra GTE / 1:36.11

*Thought that Greenhalgh raced a VW Golf GTI.
Maximum 9 points for a class win in all three divisions.

Round 2, April 1, 1984 at Silverstone

1./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
pole by Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 3, April 20, 1984 at Oulton Park

1./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi starting from pole

Round 4, April 21, 1984 at Thruxton

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse starting from pole

Is the date correct? A day after the previous round! Qualifying and racing on the same day, I presume then.

Round 5, May 28, 1984 at Thruxton

1./ #20 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
4./ #10 / Jean-Louis Schlesser / A / Rover Vitesse
DNF / #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
DNF / #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
DNF / #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
? / #9 / Vince Woodman / CC / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #? / David Kennedy / Kennedy / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #35 / Robin Brundle / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
DNS / #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635 CSi

Round 6, June 10, 1984 at Silverstone

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
pole by #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 7, July 1, 1984 at Snetterton

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse starting from pole

Round 8, July 20, 1984 at Brands Hatch as Grand Prix support race

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse starting from pole
? / #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 9, August 28, 1984 at Brands Hatch

Maiden victory of the Toyota Celica Supra in the capable hands of Win Percy. Andy Rouse got the better start but tyre wear handed the victory to Percy. 22 entries for this race.

1./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
4./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi
5./ #? / Vince Woodman / CC / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #? / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
? / #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / Ford Capri 3.0S
? / #? / David Kennedy / Kennedy / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, winning class B
? / #38 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, second in class B
? / #40 / Phil Dowsett / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6
? / #77 / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, winning class C
DNF / #? / Charles Sawyer-Hoare / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
DNF / #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i

Round 10, September 16, 1984 at Donington Park

1./ #7 Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra, beaten by 0.23 seconds after starting from pole

Round 11, October 7, 1984 at Silverstone

1./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
pole / #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse, starting from pole

This is what I got about the 1984 RAC Tricentrol British Touring Car Championship. The first year as a touring car championship rather than the previous saloon car designation. Any help in filling in the gaps will be much appreciated.

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Hi Jesper- I don't have time to look at these in detail now, and I don't have a full set of results for '84 anyway, but I can offer rough answers to a couple of questions straight away

Yes,AFAIK, Alan Greenhalgh raced a Golf- the yellow Ordibel car

The rounds on consecutive days (3&4 at Thruxton and Oulton are definitely possible- IIRC, around that time they sometimes ran a couple of rounds on an Easter weekend, possibly one on the Saturday/Sunday and one on Easter Monday. Do the dates fit that pattern?

I'll dig out what 1985 results I've got and see if I can fill in more later- I can definitely help more with '85 onwards
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April 20, 1984 was a Friday, the 21st a Saturday. According to this site, Easter it was when these two rounds were raced:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

I have a correction to the 1984 championship title - it was the RAC Trimoco British Touring Car Championship, not Tricentrol as main sponsor.

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Found my '84 results out, such as they are, and I can add the following- (I'll put my info in bold) The results I've added are based on notes taken about 20 years ago from the original Autosport race reports, and 'Art on A' article by Art Markus in Performance car magaine. I'm fairly sure about the top 6 and class placings, but bottom half of the top 10 might not be 100% accurate, so might be worth checking against another source. I'll add more later if I can find them


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Since 1984 is the year discussed, I might as well start my quest to fill in my massive gaps of 1980s group A style BTCC by posting what I know:

Round 1 of 11 the RAC Tricentrol British Touring Car Championship
March 25, 1984 at Donington Park

Result
1. #7 Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse

Since that is what I know, the qualifying results might be more of more use to tell who was there. These results might have been copied from an MG Metro Turbo sales add from a few years back – can't remember.

Position / number / driver / team (my guess) / class / car / time
1./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.07
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.07
3./ #20 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.17
4./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi / 1:20.28
5./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi / 1:20.40
6./ #10 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.88
7./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra / 1:21.28
8./ #4 / Dennis Leech / Leech / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:21.72
9./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo / 1:21.91
10./ #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo / 1:22.59
11./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Terry Drury Racing / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:23.23
12./ #35 / Robin Brundle / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo / 1:24.10
13./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.11
14./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:25.27
15./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Alfa Romeo Dealer Team? / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.36
16./ #41 / Paul Smith / Terry Drury Racing / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.55
17./ #33 / John Morris / Morris / B / VW Scirocco GTI / 1:25.82
18./ #51 / Alan Greenhalgh / Ordibel?/ C / VW Golf GTi* / 1:26.24
19./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Datapost/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:27.81
20./ #77 / Richard Longman /Datapost/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:28.13
21./ #38 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo / 1:31.57
22./ #84 / Barry Lee / Lee / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:32.89
23./ #31 / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / B / Vauxhall Astra GTE / 1:36.11

*Thought that Greenhalgh raced a VW Golf GTI.- Yes
Maximum 9 points for a class win in all three divisions.

Round 2, April 1, 1984 at Silverstone

1./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./#10/ Peter Lovett/ TWR/ A/ Rover Vitesse
3./#9/ Frank Sytner/ Sytner/ A/ BMW 635CSi
4./#14?/Tony Dron/Hughes /A /Toyota Celica Supra
5./#?/Mike Newman/Newman/A/ Ford Capri
6./#34/Patrick Watts/ Dowson/ B / MG Metro Turbo
7./#35/Robin Brundle/ Dowson/ B/ MG Metro Turbo
8./#6/ James Weaver/ CC/ A/ BMW 635CSi
9./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT?/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
10./#77/ Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
?/#/Paul Smith/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/ (4th class B)
?/#/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo (5th class B)
?/#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (2nd class C)
?/#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (3rd class C)
?/#72/Rob Hall/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (4th class C)
?/#?/John Myerscough/C/Alfa Romeo Alfasud (5th class C)
DNF/#7/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse
DNF/#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
DNF/#43?/Paul Taft/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
DNF/#4/Dennis Leech/Leech/A/Rover Vitesse
DNF/#51?/Alan Greenhalgh/Ordibel/C/VW Golf GTi
?DNS/#11T?/Jean-Louis Schlesser/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse (I think Schlesser qualified Pond's car as a back-up in case Pond wasn't able to race- Pond possibly also had a rally commitment, possibly the debut of the 6R4 on the Saturday...?)
Also possibly there:
??/#17/David KennedyBS/A/BMW 635CSi
??/#13/Charles Sawyer-Hoare/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse
??/#33/John Morris/Maguire/B/VW Scirocco
??/#??/Andrew Thorpe/??/B/Vauxhall Astra GTE
??/#84?/Barry Lee/??/C/Ford Escort RS1600i

pole by Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 3, April 20, 1984 at Oulton Park

1./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi starting from pole

Round 4, April 21, 1984 at Thruxton

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse starting from pole

Is the date correct? A day after the previous round! Qualifying and racing on the same day, I presume then.

Round 5, May 28, 1984 at Thruxton

1./ #20 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
4./ #10 / Jean-Louis Schlesser / A / Rover Vitesse
DNF / #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
DNF / #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
DNF / #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
? / #9 / Vince Woodman / CC / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #? / David Kennedy / Kennedy / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #35 / Robin Brundle / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
DNS / #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635 CSi

Round 6, June 10, 1984 at Silverstone

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
2./#??/Jean-Louis Schlesser/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
3./#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi
4./#6/James Weaver/CC/A/BMW 635CSi
5./#11/Tony Pond/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
6./#14/Gordon Spice/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra
7./#18/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Colt Starion Turbo
8./#?/Dennis Leech/Leech/A/ Rover Vitesse
9./#21/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/ Rover Vitesse
10/.#17/David Kennedy/BS/A/BMW 635CSi

Class B
??./#38/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo (1st class B)
??./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 (2nd class B)
??./#41/Paul Smith/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 (3rd class B)
??./#33/John Morris/Maguire/B/VW Scirocco (4th class B)
??./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 (5th class B)
??./#43/Paul Taft/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo (6th class B)

Class C
??./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (1st class C)
??./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (2nd class C)
??./#70/Jock Robertson/Pegasus/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (3rd class C)
??./#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (4th class C)

DNF/#34/Patrick Watts/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
DNF/#72/Rob Hall/??/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
DNF/#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
DNF/#35/Robin Brundle/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
DNF/#51/Alan Greenhalgh/Ordibel/C/VW Golf GTi

pole by #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 7, July 1, 1984 at Snetterton

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse starting from pole

Round 8, July 20, 1984 at Brands Hatch as Grand Prix support race

1./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse starting from pole
? / #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 9, August 28, 1984 at Brands Hatch

Maiden victory of the Toyota Celica Supra in the capable hands of Win Percy. Andy Rouse got the better start but tyre wear handed the victory to Percy. 22 entries for this race.

1./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
4./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi
5./ #? / Vince Woodman / CC / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #? / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
? / #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / Ford Capri 3.0S
? / #? / David Kennedy / Kennedy / A / BMW 635CSi
? / #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, winning class B
? / #38 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, second in class B
? / #40 / Phil Dowsett / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6
? / #77 / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, winning class C
DNF / #? / Charles Sawyer-Hoare / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
DNF / #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i

Round 10, September 16, 1984 at Donington Park

1./ #7 Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra, beaten by 0.23 seconds after starting from pole

Round 11, October 7, 1984 at Silverstone

1./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
pole / #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse, starting from pole

This is what I got about the 1984 RAC Tricentrol British Touring Car Championship. The first year as a touring car championship rather than the previous saloon car designation. Any help in filling in the gaps will be much appreciated.

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Thanks a lot, KA. Just as I'm sitting here preparing a 1985 installment and then being disturbed by your post. Also realising that the Win Percy Toyota Celica Supra maiden victory was to be the only BTCC for that particular model.

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Cracking work there KA!!

Re 1984: Rob Hall's RS1600i was entered under either; Universal Grinding Wheels and/or some Ford dealership in Stafford. Can't remember exactly? The car was prep'd by John Maguire.

EDIT!! It was entered by Julian May Racing but prep'd by Maguire in both 1983 and '84 with the Universal backing? Can anyone else confirm this at all?

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Since 1984 is the year discussed, I might as well start my quest to fill in my massive gaps of 1980s group A style BTCC by posting what I know:

Round 1 of 11 the RAC Tricentrol British Touring Car Championship
March 25, 1984 at Donington Park

Result
1. #7 Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse
2. #20 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
3. #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
4. #10 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
5. #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi
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9. #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo

Class B

1- #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
2- #32 / Rob Kirby / ARDT/ B / Alfa Romeo GTV6
3- #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6
4- #33 / John Morris / Morris / B / VW Scirocco GTI

Class C

1- #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i
2- #51 / Alan Greenhalgh / Ordibel/ C / VW Golf GTi
3- #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
4- #77 / Richard Longman /Longman/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i


Since that is what I know, the qualifying results might be more of more use to tell who was there. These results might have been copied from an MG Metro Turbo sales add from a few years back can't remember.

Position / number / driver / team (my guess) / class / car / time
1./ #11 / Tony Pond / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.07
2./ #7 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.07
3./ #20 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.17
4./ #6 / James Weaver / CC / A / BMW 635CSi / 1:20.28
5./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi / 1:20.40
6./ #10 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:20.88
7./ #14 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra / 1:21.28
8./ #4 / Dennis Leech / Leech / A / Rover Vitesse / 1:21.72
9./ #18 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo / 1:21.91
10./ #34 / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo / 1:22.59
11./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:23.23
12./ #35 / Robin Brundle / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo / 1:24.10
13./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.11
14./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:25.27
15./ #32 / Rob Kirby / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.36
16./ #41 / Paul Smith / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 / 1:25.55
17./ #33 / John Morris / Morris / B / VW Scirocco GTI / 1:25.82
18./ #51 / Alan Greenhalgh / C / Ford Escort RS1600i* / 1:26.24
19./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:27.81
20./ #77 / Richard Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:28.13
21./ #38 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo / 1:31.57
22./ #84 / Barry Lee / Lee / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 1:32.89
23./ #31 / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / B / Vauxhall Astra GTE / 1:36.11

*Thought that Greenhalgh raced a VW Golf GTI.
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That's pretty good scalps in Andy Rouse's favour, beating all three TWR Rovers (Soper, Pond, Lovett) in the very first race of the season.

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That's pretty good scalps in Andy Rouse's favour, beating all three TWR Rovers (Soper, Pond, Lovett) in the very first race of the season.

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Yes indeed, Rouse and Soper had a fine scrap for the win IIRC (as they did at Thruxton in May). I think the two of them were a fair way ahead of the rest but I don't have a race report handy to qualify that statement.

I seem to recall it being misty mind you, I was very young and that was the first meeting my father had taken me to since '82 after we had moved upto the Midlands so my memory may not be right on the button there!

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Yes indeed, Rouse and Soper had a fine scrap for the win IIRC (as they did at Thruxton in May). I think the two of them were a fair way ahead of the rest but I don't have a race report handy to qualify that statement.

I seem to recall it being misty mind you, I was very young and that was the first meeting my father had taken me to since '82 after we had moved upto the Midlands so my memory may not be right on the button there!
Nothing wrong with your memory, chunterer! It did start drizzling mid-race, through to the end of the race. According to the review video, Soper was in touch with Rouse for most of the race, but it looked like Rouse had the race under his control. Soper was putting everything into the chase in the wet, though! He lost time lapping one of the Metros on the outside into the Old Hairpin, getting the tail of the Rover well-and-truly out in a magnificent powerslide, and doing the same thing at the chicane later on.
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Nothing wrong with your memory, chunterer! It did start drizzling mid-race, through to the end of the race. According to the review video, Soper was in touch with Rouse for most of the race, but it looked like Rouse had the race under his control. Soper was putting everything into the chase in the wet, though! He lost time lapping one of the Metros on the outside into the Old Hairpin, getting the tail of the Rover well-and-truly out in a magnificent powerslide, and doing the same thing at the chicane later on.
Crikey, William is there any chance you could send me a copy of that video on DVD please?!!! (chunterer clasps hands in hope....)

Also just noted the dates question further back.

The Oulton Good Friday round was 20th April, the Easter Monday Thruxton round was April 23rd. It was pure BTCC heaven for a little 10 year old at the time I can tell you, although the old man must've felt the mileage covered that weekend in his Capri 2.0S!!
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Cracking work there KA!!

Re 1984: Rob Hall's RS1600i was entered under either; Universal Grinding Wheels and/or some Ford dealership in Stafford. Can't remember exactly? The car was prep'd by John Maguire.

EDIT!! It was entered by Julian May Racing but prep'd by Maguire in both 1983 and '84 with the Universal backing? Can anyone else confirm this at all?
A 1984 preview article in Performance car suggests that Maguire took over the preparation of the Hall Escort for 1984, having split with John Morris, whose Scirocco would be run by his own crew rather than Maguire's

A 1983 pic of the Hall Escort shows it carrying sponsorship from Castrol and Lloyds- presumably they're the Stafford Ford dealer?
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