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7 Aug 2020 to 9 Aug 2020 07:30 to 19:30
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So far, the only UK grids attending are HGPCA and Formula Junior, as the meeting is a round of their Lurani Trophy. Masters are swapping their August meeting to Zolder for 2020.
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Old 15 Feb 2020, 18:24 (Ref:3957749)   #2
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26. AvD-HISTORIC-MARATHON NORDSCHLEIFE 2020

Taken from the Event Website.

As part of the 2020 AvD Oldtimer Grand Prix the organisers of the classics racing weekend, together with FHR (Fahrergemeinschaft Historischer Rennsport e. V.), would like to revive the traditional AvD Historic Marathon. The three-hour race on the legendary Nordschleife is designed for classics and young classics and, following a four-year break, planned to become even more attractive with a new concept.

On Friday of the AvD OGP weekend a 75-minute qualifying session and a 180-minute race will be scheduled in coordination with the remainder of the programme because entrants should be able to participate in the other touring car and GT races of the weekend without any major restrictions. The race will be held on the 20.5-km Nordschleife which entrants will leave upon finishing: on the last lap following the chequered flag the gate will open to the Grand Prix circuit across which the teams will subsequently drive directly to the Grand Prix paddock. That is where the podium ceremony will take place so that the ‘Marathon’ will even be more closely integrated with the AvD OGP weekend.

Participating teams will of course be allocated dedicated areas in the Grand Prix paddock. For racing operations and pit stops, the Nordschleife pit lane will be used (T13). The entry fee includes numerous additional benefits and services.

In order to be able to conduct the race, the organisers require binding submissions of entries by 27 March 2020 (received, incl. completed and signed credit card debit form/entry fee).
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2020 Grids

No Masters means there was bound to be new grids!

NEW: Formula 1 Legends - The Royal Class of the 70th to 90th
NEW: Audi Sport Seyffarth R8 LMS Cup
NEW: 1961 Grand Prix revival - the birth of 1.5-litre Formula 1
BACK AGAIN: AvD Historic Marathon for Touring Cars and GT on the Nordschleife
FIA Lurani Trophy for Formula Junior Cars
Revival German Racing Championship / 100-Miles Trophy
Historische Grand Prix Cars up to 1965
AvD-Touring Car and GT-Trophy
Two-seater race cars and GT up to 1960/61
A Gentle Drivers Trophy
Tourenwagen Classics
FCD Racing Series
Vintage Sports Car Trophy / Pre-War-Cars Meeting: racing and sports cars of the 20th, 30th and 40th in the originally restored historical paddock
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Fingers crossed the Historic Marathon will go ahead. It seems good value when compared with entering the 6hr at Spa!
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One big set back for most Brits is a lack of the Nordschleife Permit, which, I think, served to stop this fabous event. If the Permit requirement was to be removed I'm certain far more would show an interest.
Just one accident caused this to come about. Someone had only simulator experience and apparently drove the car as if he was still on the simulator!
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Simulators should be improved with real injuries, electro shocks, siège éjectable, automatic face smashing and high bills to pay.
I remember a small company renting used cars with a ROPS located near the main entrance. Convenient and inexpensive. Still in activity?
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One big set back for most Brits is a lack of the Nordschleife Permit, which, I think, served to stop this fabous event. If the Permit requirement was to be removed I'm certain far more would show an interest.
Just one accident caused this to come about. Someone had only simulator experience and apparently drove the car as if he was still on the simulator!
But the regs for the event clearly state that a 'crash course' (pun unintended I hope) will be arranged just before the event for drivers who don't currently have the qualification, so should not be seen as a deterrent.
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If there's a place on earth where a test-drive should be mandatory then the Nordschleife is this one. Can be scary…
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One big set back for most Brits is a lack of the Nordschleife Permit, which, I think, served to stop this fabous event. If the Permit requirement was to be removed I'm certain far more would show an interest.
Just one accident caused this to come about. Someone had only simulator experience and apparently drove the car as if he was still on the simulator!
I would agree that it is preventing a number of people to join the fest but I would also say that it should become mandatory for many more Competitions.

I have lapped the Nordschleife in rental cars as well as with a daily car given the number of years I've visited the Oldtimer, I've also sat in the passenger seat of experienced guys such as Jeremy Welch in his Healey - who was cornering way faster than the modern cars around.

But the Nordschleife is one of these old gems, narrow, twisty and above all, lacking the modern run-offs that so many drivers or "kids" would be used to today and I think it is not a bad idea to have a requisite permit to race the course. I believe you only realise how historic the sport can be the day you crash a car properly and given the green hell aspect, this is not the place you want this to happen.

I believe this should be done for circuits like Le Mans as well. Not as narrow, way more modern in its design and amount of run-offs but the traffic and high speed are parameters which can make a simple move a dramatic situation, so is night racing but above all the fact that rookies are let out on such tracks in historic today.

Historic is fun but let's always remember that speed and stupidity do not mix very well in certain circumstances.
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The entry blurb suggests that the permit is obtained in two parts

You have to do some online stuff in advance then they are going to run a "course" on the thursday. I have heard the course involves sitting on a coach while someone talks to you in german. So it will require you to be out a day earlier

Points about simulators noted above, but at 51yo, I am still hoping a few laps on a PS4 will give me an idea of what is coming up over the brow
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But the regs for the event clearly state that a 'crash course' (pun unintended I hope) will be arranged just before the event for drivers who don't currently have the qualification, so should not be seen as a deterrent.
Yep, meant to post the new thinking regarding this. Makes you wonder how thousands of drivers survived the Ring without incedent since 1927😁
The organisers have finally realised Why this particular event was failing🤩
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The entry blurb suggests that the permit is obtained in two parts

You have to do some online stuff in advance then they are going to run a "course" on the thursday. I have heard the course involves sitting on a coach while someone talks to you in german. So it will require you to be out a day earlier

Points about simulators noted above, but at 51yo, I am still hoping a few laps on a PS4 will give me an idea of what is coming up over the brow
Brow? There's more than one😂
Trick is to memorise the ones you don't brake for. Sim games are fine But tend to give the impression the straight sections
are longer that real life and also the gradient changes are not captured that well. Coach trip will also be done in Englsh😉
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Geraint I suggest you go and take a taxi. May be the driver is a female or has a tough accent but after a tenths of minutes, you'll make the difference between "yell a cab" and "cab to hell"…
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Geraint I suggest you go and take a taxi. May be the driver is a female or has a tough accent but after a tenths of minutes, you'll make the difference between "yell a cab" and "cab to hell"…
Very rarely does Sabine do Taxi laps any more Gerard. But for a really good trip round I would suggest Dale Lomas in the project 8Jag,or now there's the choice of a Jag EV. Both are great fun. ��

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Interesting! But being a very bad passenger because easy to frighten, I'd go for an English gentleman Capri owner if I could!
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