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Old 12 Oct 2003, 20:23 (Ref:748697)   #46
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2003 FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS

DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP
1st Michael Schumacher 77pts (6 wins)
2nd Kimi Raikkonen 67pts (1 win)
3rd Juan Pablo Montoya 62pts (2 wins)
4th Rubens Barrichello 48pts (2 wins)
5th Ralf Schumacher 41pts (2 wins)
6th Fernando Alonso 36pts (1 win)
7th David Coulthard 33pts (1 win)
8th Jarno Trulli 15pts
9th Giancarlo Fisichella 10pts (1 win)
10th Heinz-Harald Frentzen 7pts
11th Jenson Button 7pts
12th Mark Webber 3pts
13th= Olivier Panis 2pts
13th= Marc Gene 2pts
13th= Nick Heidfeld 2pts
13th= Jacques Villeneuve 2pts
13th= Cristiano da Matta 2pts
18th Takuma Sato 1pt

CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP
1st Ferrari 125pts (8 wins)
2nd Williams-BMW 103pts (4 wins)
3rd McLaren-Mercedes 100pts (2 wins)
4th Renault 51pts (1 win)
5th Jordan-Ford 10pts (1 win)
6th= Sauber-Petronas 9pts
6th= BAR-Honda 9pts
8th Toyota 4pts
9th Jaguar-Cosworth 3pts

no difference at all in the top echelons of both championship tables. mainly the bottom half of the standings are affected. Jordan would have finished 5th in the constructors' championship on the dint of their sole win in Brazil, with Sauber and BAR tied for 6th (Minardi not making it into the points on the old scoring system either, with reliability incredibly high); obviously a lot less drivers would have scored at all. Fisichella would have claimed best of the rest on his and Jordan's sole points finish. so does it appear that changing the points system has made the battle for points for mid-field teams better?
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 20:45 (Ref:748729)   #47
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What is bad about the new points system is for years people who have gone down in history as never scoring a GP point because they finished 7th 5 times they never got a thing!

And it makes comparison's with past drivers impossible for stats!.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 17:38 (Ref:751160)   #48
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Well, Robin, stats, in anything, will never tell the true the story.

For the purpose though, there is always the avenue of "conversion" - much like this thread.......
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 18:55 (Ref:751238)   #49
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BootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
The full list of points from the old system backs up my beleif that, in terms of awarding points fo rthe top 8, the result is now fairer and mroe even. The old system gives Jordan far too much credit for one lucky result, and Frentzen to an extent as well.

I would refine the gap at the top though - soemthing like 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 or 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 seems more sensible, although it wouldn't've really changed the overall outcome. Whether the cahmpionship went down to the final round (just) or the penultimate round, the fact is taht the seaosn was much closer.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 19:04 (Ref:751256)   #50
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It's funny to see some JVil fans always whining about Button's totals being inflated by the new points system while completely ignoring the fact that the second coming Mark Webber was the one who benefitted the most from it.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 19:35 (Ref:751294)   #51
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If the old system had been in force then Coulthard would have been free to race Raikkonen in Japan - so the Suzuka result may have been different. Would DC have beaten KR in the Suzuka race?
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 19:46 (Ref:751313)   #52
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can i just say that these results are not totally reliable. if you were using the old system then people would be fighting stronger to defend their sixth place, where now they have three points they wouldnt be going so hard as they would still have 2 in 7th. if ya get my meening
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With you on that one. It's like when people say Michael would have run away with the title in '99 had he not broken his leg, due to the mistakes Hakkinen made. Those mistakes likely wouldn't have happened had Schuey been racing with him.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 20:27 (Ref:751364)   #54
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You're right of course, but it's just one of those things we do sometimes: ponder 'what ifs'!

As for DC at Suzuka, x, I think DC had the legs on Kimi, for whatever reason, so I think he could have beaten him.
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DC & Kimi at Suzuka. It is too hard to tell who would have run. They were on different strategies after Kimi was (changed to?) a 2 stop. I don't think a 2 stop was the way to go, but McLaren had to try something (take a risk) to make up for the 15s+ lost behind the Toyota to Rubens.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 21:57 (Ref:751463)   #56
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How about this for a new score system. No points for WDC only count wins. The second car's (only one can win)points go towards WCC.
Example: So if JB wins a race he is in the WCC title race with 1 win. Sato comes in 8th he gets 1 point - which goes towards Bar's WCC tally.
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