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Old 4 Nov 2003, 09:42 (Ref:1537761)   #1
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Brabham BT30

This is a major post for me in regard to these cars ,and a lot of assistance is due to Chris Townsend.
I will have made some mistakes , but initially will post obscure cars in order to see if we can eliminate strange entities out in to correct spec.
The major problem with these cars is it took very little for the same car to be reported as anything between a BT28 and or BT36 or anything inbetween.
For the people that may not be aware , the FIA rules in regard to cockpit widths altered and BT28-29 and 30 were not considered wide enought for save emergency exit , therefor the BT35 and BT36 had altered body panels to comply.
Naturally cars were altered to comply and a ''say '' BT30 then was reported as a BT36 in some instances.This has greatly complicated tracking of the cars.

The first cars are to seek assistance and to advise.

BT30x as a hillclimb car in 1969 at least by 23-5-69 , for Mike McDowell and shared with Rob Jennings , fitted with a Climax FWMV 2.0 V8 , always entered as seperate entity , but the same car.
This car is BT30x-1 , and is a combination of McDowells engine and Jennings chassis, car is used in this form all through 1970 and A/S reports 18-2-1971 p.25 as now being fitted with a 3.5 Litre Buick , work being carried out by Roy Lane.
Car then adv. sale 10-6-71 p.75,
Sold to David Fyfe and confirmed as BT30X-1 .
For sale again A/S 7-12-72. No further known.

Roger Hickman is out in the hills early 1969 in a 1.6 FVA engined BT30 at Loton Park.
This car changes hands to Brian Pickering and is at Barbon Manor in 1970 as a BT30 fitted with a 1.5 Lotus Twin-cam.
In 1971 this car is now shared with Nigel Woodise A/S 18-2-1971 p.25 still fitted with 1.5 Twin-cam [for class wins].
No number known by me, Chris suggests could be BT30-2 ?????

The next is what started as a BT29 FB with a Cosworth FVC , and entered by Tony Griffiths , this entity is reported as written off at Silverstone and is then replaced by a BT30 , which A/S reports as built April 1970.
Did the chassis plate get transferred and only a new chassis , BT30 , or a whole new car or what.???????????

The next is an adv. 10-2-1972 p.54 for a BT28/30 for sale as an F3 with genuine Bt30 chassis.

BT30-1 1969 Kurt Ahrens as F2 .
1970 Werner Lindeman as F2 at C/Palace 24-5-1970

Car written off , destroyed by fire in the report for Hockenheim F2 round 14-6-1970

BT30-2, reported as Peter Westbury's car at Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8 . somehow I think this is a reporting error.

BT30-3, First /Westbury at Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8 .
Major damage , to be rebuilt for the next round of the F2 series.
At Le Castellet 26-7-1970 , now with John Wingfield .
In 1971 still with Wingfield at Hockenheim 8-4-1971 p.10
For sale A/S 1-7-1971 p.60
To Jim Charnock prior August 1971 used at Oulton Park 7-10-1971.
The following is not verified .
To Christopher Mann U.K. 1983
To Ray Delaney , Australia [ verified ] 1983-88.
To Art Valdez U.S.A. 1990-1 circa.
Nothing Further.

BT30-4 , for Malcolm Guthrie , new at Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8
Frank Williams as entrant some or all of the time in1969.
By 1970 for Ecurie Ecosse for Graham Birrell at N'bring 3-5- 1970.
Thence to Jolly Club /Gagliardi, non C/ship rd. at Monza , 21-7-1970, then Salzburg F2 30-8-1970.
Then Scuderia Ala d'oro for Gian-Luigi Picchi at Hockenheim 4-4-1971.
then reported to be shared by Salvati and Picchi in 1971 , and stated to be the car used by Silvio Moser at Bogota in 1971.
Carlo Franchi for 'Gimax' at Monza 20-6-1971.
Nothing further.

BT30-5.
Frank Williams , new for Piers Courage Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8
To Albert Poon and used at Macau 16-11-1969 , report 27-11-1969 p.14 , retained into 1970 and used at Macau again A/S 3-12-1970 p.4 .
Nothing further.

Bt30-6 . Irish Racing Cars / Alan Rollison 1969,
to Bogota Sth.America F2 series , reported as very little used , in fact an uprated 1969 car.
Poss. for sale Bob Howlings Racing Cars 17-2-1972 p.42 as EX. Rollinson , winner at Bogota , also rear cover Autosport 2-3-1972 .
To Nelson Todd Ireland 1971 .
To Ken Walker/ Peter Kaye U.K. 1972 [ David McKinney]
To Bob Howlings again.????
To John Bradburn.
To James Wallis 1982-3 usedin the H.S.C.C championship.
To Bob Howlings 1985
To Tony Thompson 1986.
To Chris Farrell [Australia] retained 2003.

That's all for now .

Any fixes needed.

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Old 4 Nov 2003, 10:44 (Ref:1537762)   #2
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Bryan, these are a bit before my time, but I do recall Phil Guerola in a lovely 'clean' BT30 (or described as such) in UK Libre from 75-76 -ish. I think it had an 1800 cc engine, wnet pretty well too at that level.
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Old 4 Nov 2003, 11:07 (Ref:1537763)   #3
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Guerola raced BT30-11, the car that Tony Dean raced briefly in 1972( I think/hope!) Saw him beat Bev Bond's B18 in a brilliant libre race at Mallory in November 1972.
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Old 4 Nov 2003, 19:23 (Ref:1537764)   #4
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As always, hope this helps rather than hinders

BT30X/1
David Fyfe and Alex Brown 1972
Murray McGrath 1973
Peter Coleman (still with Rover V8) in HSCC events 1989

Hickman car
I have Pickering and Woodisse sharing this in 1970 as well as 1971
My notes say “BT30/3?” (ie with a question-mark)

BT30/2 and 3
I have the lower number for the Westbury/Wingfield/Charnock car. Perhaps Westbury had both cars, and the other was the Pickering/Hickman job?
Dick James was advertising “ex-Westbury BT30/3” in California 1992/3

BT30/4
I have the number of Birrell’s EE car as 14 - I wonder of your 4 for him is a misprint?

BT30/5
Poon was still campaigning a BT30 in 1971 and 1972 (sometimes with Kevin Bartlett as driver) - presumably this one

BT30/6
James Wallis was running this car in 1984 and 1985 - don’t know about earlier

BT30/11
Watson 1970 and 1971 and into 1972. Howlings then Dean in ‘72 clubbies, then Guerola. I suspect David Force might be able to throw light on this car’s present whereabouts
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Thank you .
BT30X-1 , noted.
BT30-2 , will allocate to Hickman/Pickering/ Woodise at the moment.
BT30-3. with Dick James /California 1992-3. Believe this will be the car ex. Australia/Ray Delaney, and I have CAMS application for this and car is called out as BT30-3, so will leave as that for the moment.
Strange that Westbury is connected with both BT30-2 and BT30-3 and also had a car that needed a rebuild after 1st. outing, scope for confusion / chassis plate swapping , whatever . More work needed .
BT30-4 , yes noted that the E.E use does not gell , and Ecurie Ecosse usual car is BT30-14.
Quite a lot of car renting went on between these guys in period , and Chris Townsend has alerted me to some , to go with others I found.
BT30-5 , Noted , I presumed that to be the case.
BT30-6, Noted , this was the call out from the Australian application to CAMS , and probably not fully accurate in regard to dates.

This takes us to ,

BT30-7. Reported in Autosport as 1969 ex. Malcolm Guthrie new.
1970 Jolly Club borrowed for Sth. American series, A/S.11-2-71 , p.32. Query ,Motoring News states BT30-4. for Silvio Moser.
No more known.

BT30-8.
Irish Racing Cars , Tommy Reid , 1969.
Used by Reid in Japanese G.P.
Alan Rollinson C/Palace 24-5-1970.
John Smith , Mondello Park 11-7-71 [F1R]
For Sale Tommy Reid BT30-8 A/S 18-11-1971p.59.
'''''''''Bob Howlings 9-12-1971 , rear cover.
Adv. 20-1-1972 , p.45 states BT30 last raced by Tommy Reid.
Chris Townsend has a note to John Smith 1972.
No more known in period .
Was owned by Andrew Fellowes in U.K. in 1980's , poss. now with Bob Baker , U.S.A.

BT30-9.
Team Brabham for Francois Mazet 1970 F2 at least at C/Palace.
Gerry Birrell at Imola 27-9-1970.
For sale Sports Motors 15-10-1970.
To Ecurie Monaco for Lionel Noghes at H'heim 4-4-1971, and also at Rouen 1971.
No more known.

BT30-10.
Team Brabham for Tim Schenken 1970 F2 .
F1R states Gerry Birrell Hockenheim 14-6-1970 F2 race.
For sale Sports Motors , 15-10-1970.
To Ian Ballock for Sth. American series , Driver Cyd. Williams A/S. 17-12-1970 p.2
For sale A/S 29-4-1971 p.56
'''''''''''' 24-6-1971 p.52
To Bill Creasy fitted with a BDA at Siverstone 7-10-1971 p26
For sale A/S 11-5-1972 p.66
'''''''''''' 7-9-1972 p.58 with a note stating run once only as an Atlantic.
No more known.

BT30-11 .
John Watson 1970 F2 .
John Watson 1971 F2 at least at H/heim , C/palace / and then Mondello 11-7-1971, now called out as a BT30/36 , updated panels????
For sale , A/S BT30/36 4-11-1971 p45.
'''''''''''''''''''''' 6-4-1972 p.51 and seemed to be being used by Bob Howlings , fitted with a Cosworth FVC.
To Tony Dean , U.K. purchased from Howlings at the Rothmans 50000 .
To Phillip Guerola in 1973 and retained into at least the end of 1976.
No more known.

BT30-12.
Irish Racing Cars , Tommy Reid , 1970 F2, also appears to have been used by Alan Rollinson 1970 and Tommy Reid 1971 at Mallory Park F2 round.
Advert., A/S 20-1-1972, as last raced by Tommy Reid 1971 / R. Vincent p.45.
Probably the car adv. / Howlings 27-4-1972 p.67.
To John Pollck , Ireland 1973 .
To Harold McGarrity Ireland .
To Paddy Heron , Ireland, above via David McKinney.
No more known.

BT30-13 , NOT BUILT.

BT30-14,
Ecurie Ecosse- Peter Gethin at Zolder F2 24-5-1970 .
Graham Birrell at C/Palace , poss. BT30-4 ????
At Monza 21-6-1970.
Richard Attwood at Mantorp Park30-8-1970.
Rented to Peter Westbury for the Sth. American series A/S . 24-12-1970 p.5 .
Sold via MRE/Ronnie Mckay .
To Chong Boon Seng/ S.E.Asia fitted with updated body panels .
To Del Schlomer 1975. S.E.Asia.
To Wybe Valkema 1980-82 S.E.Asia.
To Brian Wilson circa 1988 Australia.
To U.S.A. circa 1990-1 .
No more known.

BT30-15. A very confusing car.!!!!!!!!!

Gerrard for Peter Gaydon, Thruxton F2 1970.
26-4-1970 , Henri Pescarolo , Montjuic Park F2
24-5-1970 Crystal Palace .
14-6-1970 Brian Hart , Hockenheim .
14-3-1971 Brian Hart , Mallory Park.
4-4-1971 '''''''''''', H/heim.
July 1971 Robert Salisbury , Mondello Park.
A car for sale Oct.21-1971 p.84.
At Mallory Park A/S 28-10-1971 p48 / Salisbury called as a BT35 -Hart BDA .
At Brands Hatch now called BT30-BDA A/S 30-12-1971 p.11
At Snetterton F/Atlantic , called a BT35 6-4-1972 p.27
Poss for sale A/S. 7-12-1972 p.50.
HELP , I believe this is the same car with updated panels and the BDA .
No more known.

BT30-16.
Wheatcroft , Derek BellF2 1970.
To Paul Watson Racing Organisation./ Jeremy Richardson .
for Mallory Park , H'heim, Rouen, Mondello all in 1971.
Chris Townsend has car to Alex Seldon for F/Libre in 1972 , report Motoring News 4-1-1973 p.25

BT30-17.
John Coobes for Jackie Stewart F2, 1970.
John Coombes also for Jack Brabham at Pau and Crystal Palace F2 1970 .
For Bonnier at Mantorp Park 30-8-1970.
For U.S.A. driver in Europe Mike Goth at Imola 27-9-1970.
Paul Watson Racing Org. for Goth at H'heim 11-10-1970 ,
would also be the car ''used '' at the infamous Israel G.P.
Also Jolly Club for Silvio Moser at Jarama 16-5-1971. Renta?????

BT30-18.
Automobile Club Argentina / Carlos Reutemann F2 , 12-4-1970 , Hockenheim.Crystal Palace, Imola, etc.
1971 Reutemann at Mallory and H'heim .
Car retained , and at 20-4-1972 to be sent with others to Argentina to start a race drivers school, along with BT30-19 , BT36-6 and BT36-7.
Some /all still reported in museum in Argentina.

BT30-19.
Automobile Club Argentina/ Benedicto Caldarella at Hockenheim 12-4-1970, and at C'Palace.
Reutemann used at Enna 23-8-1970 .
Damaged at Imola [ not to badly] used BT30-18 in race.
1971 A/CA for Carlos Ruesch at 4-4-1971 .
Thence as per BT30-18.

Next installment soon.
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Old 4 Nov 2003, 23:20 (Ref:1537766)   #6
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Updates via Andrew Fellowes ,

BT30-10 , now with Jim Gathorcole , U.K.
BT30-12 , Now with James Murray , U.K.

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Further update .

Re BT30-10 , I missed reporting Chris Townsend has car to Simon Riley U.K. hillclimbs in 1974 , report via Motoring News 18-4-1974 reported as ex Schenken. page 22.

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Continuing.

BT30-20.
Alistair Walker Racing / Robin Widdows.
Then Alistair Walker self at Le Castellet 26-7-1970.
To Bob Howlings A/S 3-9-1970 at Mantorp Park.
Bob Howlings adv. 10-9-1970 p.50 states new April 1970 and for sale as a rolling chassis.
Team Orbist /MRE , Richard Scott 13-9-1970 , Phoenix Park.
Kevin Murphy , Ireland [ Frank Keane drv.]Mondello 11-10-1970.
Brian Cullen Racing Hockenheim 4-4-1971.
Cullen/Murphy , N'ring 5-1971.
Car for sale at the same time Brian Cullen in car at Mondello Pk.
Then Kevin Murphy [ Irish Racing Cars]for Brian Nelson and Patsy McGarrity in 1972.
TO Brian Nelson 1973.
To Bill Gowdy 1973/4. [ David McKinney].

BT30-21.
Scuderia Picchio Rossa , for Enzo Corti at H'heim 12-4-1970.
Corti demolished car at N'ring , and car rebuilt for Le Castellet 26-7-1970 for use by Tino Brambilla [Ernesto].
Name change to North Italian Race Development at Salzburgring 30-8-1970 for Tino Brambilla.
Sold to Brambilla brothers 1-4-1971 A/S p.2
Entrant now Scuderia Ala d'oro 4-4-1971.

Wrecked and writen off at Pau F2 , A/S 6-5-1971 p.10
Confirmed A/S 3-7-1971 p.3.
Australian race mechanic Noel Judd tended these 2 cars during this period and fortunately took photo's of his charges , included is one I have [ Noel lives 10 minutes away from me] of the remains of one of the 2 wrecks literally shovelled into the back of the transporter .
This photo shows a red car.

BT30-22.

Scuderia Jolly Club /Pino Pica at Montjuic Pk. 26-4-1970 F2
Andrea de Adamich C/palace 24-5-1970.
Thence to North Italian Race Developments at Salzburg 30-8-1970.
To Scuderia Ala d'oro H'heim 4-4-1971 for Vittotia Brambilla.
Car wrecked at Nurburgring [ young girl killed in accident]
A/S 20-5-1971 p.5 , confirmed A/S 3-7-1971 p.3
Both this car and BT30-21 ceased to exist.

BT30-23.
Listed as Peter Westbury Thruxton , Pau, C/palace , H'heim,Imola.
For Sale Felday Engineering 4-2-1971 p.51
Westbury at Mallory 14-3-1971 .
Recieved new BT36-5 for N'ring 2-5-1971.

Prob. to either, Osama Masaku or Kuniomi Nagamatsu in Japan, note cannot be both , as both in same race in seperate cars 1972, one reported in BT36 one reported in BT30.

BT30-24.
Team Orbrist .
At C/palace for Howden Ganley A/S 24-5-1970 .
Jean Pierre Jassaud Rouen 28-6-1970 .
Richard Scott at Mantorp Park 30-8-1970.
Team Orbrist for 1971 for Jurg Dubler A/S 17-12-1970.
At H'heim 4-4-1971 .
Then a note to say Dubler to retire to European Hillclimb C/ships untill end of 1971A/S 22-7-1971 p.8
However out again at Imola 25-7-1971 , by Jolly Club..
Car then poss. to Japan for Osama Masuko .
Nothing further.

BT30-25.

Eifelland / Rolf Stommelen at N'ring 3-5-1970 F2.
Then March Engineering for Dieter Quester 4-4-1971 at H'heim.
Back to Eifelland , Hans Stuck Jnr. N'ring 5-71 .
Poss Stommelen at Estoril 21-10-1973 as BT30/36, updated panels again????????????.

BT30-26 .

Alistair Walker new for C/palace 24-5-1970 A/s ,
hired from Gerrard Racing prior to 30-8-1970 .
A/s reports going to Sth. America .
Walker H'heim 4-4-1971 .
Poss for sale Howlings 15-7-1971 or maybe BT 30-20 .
Poss. to Martin Webb.

BT30-27 .

Bob Jane , Australia.
I will define this under BT36 cars .

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BT30-8 was the last of the Series 1 BT30s with aluminium side tanks. Bag tanks introduced in 1970
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BT30-16 ex Derek Bell, bought by Lincoln Small from Ted Walker in 1986? Still owned by him (they are joined at the hip)
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I too think that 30-4 is a misprint as far as Ec.Ecosse use is concerned.

BT30-15 some clarification is at hand. The Salisbury BT35 is a different car. Salisbury races the BT30 at the Boxing Day '71 meeting at Brands. I think that this is the car that goes to Martin Webb. The BT35 is retained by Gerard until '73 then Harry Gilbert. 1975 John Wingfield, 1976 John Thistlethwaite for Tim Wood

Have one problem BT30. Tony Griffiths is hillclimbing one in 1970 which is maybe 30-2. [The McDowell -Jennings car is BT30X-1 the 4wd car] This car passes via Spencer Elton to Woodise.

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Some updating etc:

BT30/15
I too have this going to Martin Webb
Present owner: Bob Salisbury (GB)

BT30/20
Michael Baudoin, France, about ten years ago

BT30/24
Gérard Gamand, France, about ten years ago

BT30/25
apparently dismantled in 1970s by the then German owner. Offered at auction by Coys at Essen 2002

BT30/26
Present owner: Julian Majzub (GB)

I have the Griffiths hillclimb “BT30Y” going to Spencer Elton 1971-72, then David Render 1973-74

The ex-Gerard/Salisbury BT35 was regularly raced by Nick Overall in HSCC events late ‘80s/early ‘90s
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Many thanks , I managed to totally disregard my own notes , as I also had Griffiths car to Spencer Elton A/S 18-2-1971 P.4 and reported as fitting BDA , advert says car built April 1970.

Will do an update , where are we list in due course.
Is it to much to believe that David McKinney's report of BT30-15 as now with Bob Salisbury, is this perhaps the same Robert[Bob] Salisbury ex. Gerrard.????

Had only last night after posting , decided that the Salisbury BT30 and BT35 would be two seperate entities, purely down to the wording of one adv. in period, which I revisited. So I will seperate the BT35 out .

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OK Bryan, one day we'll get to the 36's (cart horse before the Lord Mayors Show?)

BT30-17, Paragon USA 2003 ex Jackie Stewart
BT30-20, Paragon USA 2003 with French History

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Is it to much to believe that David McKinney's report of BT30-15 as now with Bob Salisbury, is this perhaps the same Robert[Bob] Salisbury ex. Gerrard.????
One and the same, I believe.
Though, as you can probably tell by the fact that my records tend to peter out about ten years ago, I am not as close to this particular racing scene as I used to was
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