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Old 29 Nov 2003, 21:08 (Ref:1542469)   #1
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Brabham BT21

What model is the the Les Wright Buick powered Brabham used i Australian Historic racing?
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Old 30 Nov 2003, 09:52 (Ref:1542470)   #2
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Les Wright's car is the ex Malcolm Eaves English hillclimb car , BT21C-17 , after Eaves the car then went to Peter Boshier-Jones , Nigel Pow, John Harper , then came to Australia circa 1981, with the 5.0 litre Repco still fitted.
The car is now back in its 1st. form.with Buick/Rover eng.
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Old 28 Feb 2004, 14:29 (Ref:1542613)   #3
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Brabham BT21 - ex-Fred Ashplant

Not sure where to put this BT21 news.

I asked Fred Ashplant about his 1968 St Jovite-winning BT21 and about his FB days and got this reply.
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The car that I drove mostly in 1967/ 68 was a BT 21 and was the same car both years with some updates. I was under the impression that BT 21 and BT 21A were the same car as the BT 21B appeared in 1968 and was quite a bit better than the 21 or 21A. In 1969 I drove a BT 21B owned by Ed Leppla and was a Team Tecno driver with Skip Barber driving for Gene Mason out of Philadelphia. Following that I drove some early March cars out of Joe Grimaldi's "Race Shop" when he was the March importer headquartered in Midland Park, NJ.
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Old 28 Feb 2004, 22:45 (Ref:1542614)   #4
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Can we have an expansion on the March cars, new for Fred , or ex. who , may assist in due course.

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Old 21 Mar 2004, 23:00 (Ref:1542619)   #5
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I found an entry in the 1970 lists (Edmonton and Road America):-

John Marshall (Sandusky, Ohio) - 1 race (R6 in "BT29", BT21C thereafter) - #37 Team Suzy, Sandusky, Ohio

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Old 21 Mar 2004, 23:04 (Ref:1542620)   #6
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Team Suzy in Sandusky would be Suzy Dietrich.

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Fred Opert may have run a BT21 at R1 Riverside.

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I am battling my way through 1969 A/S and thought the following worth repeating.

Sept 25th 1969. p.5

The Sports Motors-team Brabham F3 BT28 which Tim Schenken has been campaigning this year with a great deal of success, has been sold to am unknown driver in Casablanca. In its place Tim Schenken will be at the wheel of a new works development BT28 for this weekends Cadwell Park International.
The Sports Motors BT28, the first one built –its self started life as the BT21X, when it did not have the new type bodywork. It seems next years production F3 Brabhams will be a refined version of the existing BT28.

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Like Andrew I've been battling through 1969 in both Autosport and Motoring News and have come up with the following:

The big issue, it seems to me is the delivery delays that Brabham had with the BT28. Get this from MN 20th Feb. Salvatore Genovese will prepare the first BT28 to arrive in Italy for Claudio Francisci. Now the first Italian delivery we know of is 22 which certainly has an Italian owner in 1970, but Francisci drives a BT21B all year!

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Chris ,

Is BT21X = BT28-1 ????
If so to Berenger ??
Does this make the car I reported in Trinidad with Andrew Cheeks in 1972 , fitted with a twin-cam , BT28-23 , or did BT28-1 change hands again quickly and this is the Berenger car gone to Trinidad.????

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Old 26 Apr 2004, 10:28 (Ref:1542688)   #11
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Interestingly , I was just looking at an advert. M.R.E. inside front cover Autosport 27/1/1972.
For Sale .

1] BT21 rolling chassis.
2] BT21 F.Ford ex. Tony Hanson , fitted with BT28 bodywork.

The problem area always will be for us, the people in the U.K. who broke cars up as spares, and the other big problem is that some cars did , 1] not do much work, and 2] were used by non famous people , and/or in club events.

Breaking up of race cars over here virtually did not happen , as the cost with import duties of a new car was substantial , so the cars kept on being updated with bigger wheels , chassis stiffening , different eng. for a new formula etc. so the cars were in most cases still extant, where over your side of the pond , when it was a few years old , there was a fair chance that it was used a source of spares.

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Old 11 May 2004, 22:26 (Ref:1542696)   #12
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Thought I should give this a Bump!

I have been very busy the last month corresponding with a couple of great guys in South America. I am trying to get them to post to this thread as they have good collections of South American magazines from the 70's.

They have found a BT21 and in Uruguay a Lotus chassis that is now a Beach Buggy and a Ralt that is a coffee table! sad but at least they are not in a rubbish tip.

OK, so who is going to start the BT23's? I know zilch apart from owning BT23-1 in 1985, ex Sir Jack, Tommy Reid and still in the UK, -?
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Old 7 Nov 2004, 20:22 (Ref:1544717)   #13
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I've been working through this thread identifying BT21 Sprint Brabhams and have been amazed how many have been identified. The ones I can't identify are:

Brabham-Ford TC BT14/21 (1.5s) - Geoff Inglis 1972
Brabham-Ford BT16/21B V6 (3.0) - John Taylor 1976/77
Brabham-Ford/Vegantune TC BT21C (1.6) - Spencer Elton once in 1970
Brabham-Ford/Vegantune TC BT21 (1.6) - Spencer Elton once in 1971 and twice in 1972
Brabham-Ford/Vegantune TC BT21/30 () - Spencer Elton once in 1973
Brabham-Ford BT21A (1.6) - John (and Arthur once) Ravenscroft 1971-72
Brabham-Ford TC BT21B (1.6) - David Pullen once in 1971
Brabham-Ford TC BT21B (1.6) - Dennis Chorley once in 1976
Brabham-Ford TC BT21B (1.6) - Leslie Stone once in 1978
Brabham-Oldsmobile BT21 or BT21C Quattro (4.5 or 4.1) - Tony Bradwell 1971 and 1973
Brabham-Holbay Ford BT21 (1.1) - Robin Boucher once in 1987

I'm guessing someone knows about the Ravenscroft, Bradwell and Elton BT21s.

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A quick scan of Spencer Elton index entries in Chris Mason's book tells me that Spencer had the ex-Williamson BT21C for the 1970 season and Tom the ex-Hawley/Fenwick BT18.

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Old 8 Nov 2004, 19:05 (Ref:1542751)   #15
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Arthur and John Ravenscroft in 1971 had the BT21A used in 1970 by Chris Court [this is all either MN or AS] 1968 this car was run by Mickels and 'ex Tony Griffiths'. In 1967 AS gives this as 21A-9.

Elton had at one point an ex Rollinson BT21B from 1968, which was ex Howlings [MN 26.3.70 p.19] and Norman Foulds in 1969. I have this as BT21B-28 though I don't know where that's from. The other option would be the 1968 car run by Dave Berry which Rollinson ran in 1969. I don't know if Elton actually ran this car, but it went to Gerry Wilkins for h/c in 1975
The Elton 21C is ex Nick Williamson, 21C-6, and goes to Peter Varley in 1971.
In 1974 Elton is selling a BT18 'ex Peter Deal/David Wray' so F2.21.66. Deal last appears in the car 1969, so don't know if Elton has it from then. The Hawley/Fenwick car is F2.8.66.
In 1969 Elton has ANOTHER BT18! This one is ex Peter Blankstone [1967] and Peter Lawson [1968] 1970 it goes to Rod Pickering [FL] [ex Lawson and Spencer Elton MN 26.3.70 p. 11] then 1971 Geoff & Tony Lambert [FL] [w/o Ingliston MN 10.6.71 p.19]

Any help?
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