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Old 17 Nov 2003, 14:58 (Ref:1553707)   #1
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Lola T450 and T550

I think the Russell T460 was actually the ex-Mallock T450 F2 car. Used briefly in 76 by Mallock, then dumped for his March 742/75B, which he won at Snetterton G8 in. Russell used the car quite a bit in Libre with an Atlantic engine in 78, then got the ex-South March 782. His cars were always very well prepared, but not very fast...I don't think Russell got the car until '78, he had a converted F3 GRD in 77, so Render couldn't have had it in mid-78, unless he borrowed it from Russell.

Now I think about it, didn't Render also have the ex-works/Marazzi T550 F2 car, that I think Lawler also used, or was entered in once or twice in 78. nb, it seems that no-one else agrees with me on the Lawler T550 matter !!!

How many other T450s were made, I guess some of these may also have been called T460s over time, as the Atlantic car went pretty well, compared to the F2 version.
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Old 17 Nov 2003, 20:40 (Ref:1553708)   #2
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Dan there were 4 T450s made as I understand it.The change over would have been simple given they are basicly the same car as a 460.
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Old 20 Nov 2003, 14:37 (Ref:1553709)   #3
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1976:
HU1 ATS for Mikka Arpianen
HU2 Mikko Kozarowitzky
HU3 Ardmore Racing: Ray Mallock - pretty well trashed at Mallory early in season and Mallock went back to March 742/75B. Ashley tried to qualify the car at Thruxton F2. Sold July? to Adrian Russell. Used by Russell through 1977 G8 series

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Old 20 Nov 2003, 15:53 (Ref:1553710)   #4
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Does that leave 1 T450 unaccounted for Chris ? Is it the Roland Binder car, from later 76 then 77, or is this one of the ex-ATS cars ? I'd always assumed it was, purely on geographical grounds. Was the missing one the prototype perhaps...

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Old 20 Nov 2003, 16:02 (Ref:1553711)   #5
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Apologies, missed HU4 off the T450s. This was the Roland Binder car.

How does Kinnane sound for the owner of the ex Trimmer car?

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Old 4 Dec 2003, 03:11 (Ref:1553719)   #6
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Lets see if I can collate where we are at with

T450s
HU1 ATS for Mikka Arpianen
HU2 Mikko Kozarowitzky
HU3 Ardmore Racing
HU4 Roland Binder.

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Old 4 Dec 2003, 03:33 (Ref:1553720)   #7
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Don't forget the ex Mallock/ David Render car, which someone suggested may be a T450.

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Old 4 Dec 2003, 10:32 (Ref:1553721)   #8
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The Mallock/Russell/Render car was T450 HU3, the ex-Ardmore car. I still seem to think Render maybe had the ex-works T550 Abarth at some point, anyone else ??
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Old 4 Dec 2003, 10:57 (Ref:1553722)   #9
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Thanks, missed seeing it first time around.
No wonder we all go nuts trying to sort out this stuff, when in period the reporters don't call the cars as they were, just seemed to work on close enough / near enough theory. Render's car called as a T460 in period Autosport.

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Im working on the list, in the meantime some more to think about. I have been in contact with David Dettrickson in the US. He has T450 HU1 Fia F2 then hillclimbed still in original condition I'm told. This would be the ATS car now in the US.

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Old 12 Dec 2003, 09:06 (Ref:1553733)   #11
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The Wentz car you refer to as a one-off drive at Brands.
Do you mean T450-HU1? That was the ex Mikka Arpianen F2 car and Wentz did indeed use it in the Shellsport meeting at Brands on the August Holiday.

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Old 12 Dec 2003, 12:49 (Ref:1553734)   #12
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Did Wentz use a T450 in any other F2 races in 76? I've a vague recollection that he may have. I'll check Autocourse later today; their records are good I find (shame no chassis nos.)

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Old 28 Jun 2004, 12:43 (Ref:1553762)   #13
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The Mallock/Russell/Render car was T450 HU3, the ex-Ardmore car. I still seem to think Render maybe had the ex-works T550 Abarth at some point, anyone else ??
I met up Adam Ferrington at Goodwood and he provided me with some notes taken at hillclimb meeting. In 1980, when it's with Render, and in 1984, when it's with Jonathon Skinner, Adam notes the chassis number of the Lola T450 as HU1.

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The Mallock/Russell/Render car was T450 HU3, the ex-Ardmore car. I still seem to think Render maybe had the ex-works T550 Abarth at some point, anyone else ??
"I met up Adam Ferrington at Goodwood and he provided me with some notes taken at hillclimb meeting. In 1980, when it's with Render, and in 1984, when it's with Jonathon Skinner, Adam notes the chassis number of the Lola T450 as HU1."
As I have mentioned on the Chevron thread, this is the car that never raced in F2; only sprints and hills, used by Rowan's brother-in-law, Rod, as well as Mr Render.

The Abarth motor was used once in an F2 Lola with Henton at Thruxton, I recall (was this in the 550 model?) and not used again.

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Old 30 Jun 2004, 08:57 (Ref:1553765)   #15
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the T550 was only used once in F2 you're right, but not with Henton. It had the Abarth engine, and came out at the 77 Silverstone Int Trophy race, the 1st round of the Euro F2 series that year, with Roberto Marazzi. Non-started, and never seen again racing I believe. I do recall Alo Lawler being entered in it in a 78 Aurora race, though whether it was a misprint of his T460 I don't know. I guess at this distance only Alo could tell us the real truth.

On the Henton matter, I think you're confusing the Lola with the Wheatcroft/Pilbeam he was entered in at Thruxton in 76, which had an Abarth motor IIRC. Again this entry didn't come to much, I believe Bob Evans was connected with this as well later that year.
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