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Old 10 Jan 2006, 17:30 (Ref:1605756)   #1
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Did Andy B use a B40 for a time in 1978, and destroy it too, or am I dreaming things?? If he did, was it the one Harper got later, ie -08 ?


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Old 21 Mar 2006, 17:29 (Ref:1555871)   #2
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Chevron B40

We don't seem to have any major discussion of B40s on any of the multi-topic threads so I'm starting this thread so we can talk about Andy Barton's B40 and see where that takes us.

Andy bought a B40 in time for the 1978 Bank Holiday Monday Croft meeting (see Autosport 8 June 1978 p51 and p57) but put it over the bank in practice. He never raced it again so presumably it was too bent even for Barton.

To place this in Barton context, he'd been running the Sana and later ran the ex-Scheckter March 77B. I have no idea which car it was but we may be able to figure it out as the B40s were still pretty new.

Fred Opert advertised the ex-Laffite/Merzario B40 four weeks after the crash(AS 29 Jun 1978 p67) so that rules that one out. It had run at Pau a month before with "a novice".
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 18:31 (Ref:1555920)   #3
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Chevron book says 11 built.

F1R says:
B40-77-01 Ardmore/ICI [Hart] Silv 3/77 onwards (Mallock, Edwards, Tambay, Regazzoni, Daly, Henton).
B40-77-02 Trivellato [BMW] Vallelunga 5/77 onwards (Patrese); Suzuka 11/77; Roloil 1978 (Cinotti)
B40-77-03 ?
B40-77-04 ROC [Chrysler] Rouen 6/77 onwards (Jaussaud, Ferrier); Scuderia Everest [Ferrari] Don Pk 10/77 (de Angelis)!!; Everest [BMW] all 1978 (Brancatelli, Martini, etc)
B40-77-05 Opert [Hart] Silv 3/77 onwards (Wink Bancroft, Hans Royer)
B40-77-06 Opert [Hart] Thruxton 4/77 onwards (Rosberg, Ribeiro, Merzario, Elgh)
B40-77-07 ?
B40-77-08 Opert [Hart] Hock 4/77 onwards (Laffite, Jones, Young, Flammini, Ribeiro, Rosberg, Needell [BMW])
B40-77-14 Klaus Ludwig [BDA] Don Pk 10/77!!; KWS 1978

Also:
Tetsu Ikuzawa [BMW] Japan 5/77 to 11/77
ROC for Pignard [Chrysler] Pau 5/77 onwards
Trivellato [BMW? Ferrari] Pergusa 7/77 onwards (Leoni)
Masahiro Hasemi [Nissan] Japan 8/77 to 11/77
Keiji Matsumoto [BMW] Japan 8/77 to 10/77
Helmut Bross [BMW] 1978
Opert for Prost [Hart] Pau 1978
4 B40s in Japan 1978

In 1977, the missing 02, 07, 09, 10 and 11 match the second ROC and Trivellato cars plus the three Japanese cars. Ludwig's '14' is odd.

But they nearly all disappear in 1978 so I'm no closer to knowing Barton's car. The works/Mallock car and the other Opert Hart car must be favourites.

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Old 21 Mar 2006, 18:41 (Ref:1555928)   #4
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I may have got some of that wrong as I transcribed from the Black Book but the ROC car suddenly becoming the B40-Ferrari is clearly wrong.

Minardi (i.e. Scuderia Everest) borrowed the B40-Ferrari for Donington Park so if it was B40-77-04 maybe we don't know the numbers of either of the ROC Chrysler cars.

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Old 21 Mar 2006, 19:17 (Ref:1555972)   #5
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B40-77-08

The car appeared in Speed Events with the following history:

1984 and 1985 - Richard Ames with a 2.0 Hart
1986 - Richard Ames but with a 2.5 Hart
1987 - ?
1988 to 1990 - now with Chris Hill and still with the 2.5 Hart

At the end of 1991 it was sold on and went out of speed eventing.

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Old 21 Mar 2006, 19:37 (Ref:1555994)   #6
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Snippets from the 'other Chevron' thread:
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Originally Posted by Dan Rear 26 May 2004
Have we gone much into B40s on here, can't recall off-hand? The ones I'm interested in are those raced in the UK here from 78 onwards. I know Mclaren had one, think he also descrin=bed his ex-Muir B35 as a 'B35/40' for a time. Did one of thse go to Bob Leckie for a bit. Also Paul Gibson had one (sorry chaps I doubted this ages ago !), and some chap from the Dinorben Arms Inn was selling one thru' A/Sport in early 79. Were all these different cars, or the same one(s)?

Also which is the one Ron Harper had in 1980, and finally, how does the MAWP/Simon Hadfield car fit into the picture. Any more I've forgotten?
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Harper's was ex-Opert, 08 I think.

I thought the Hadfield car was this one, but maybe not, it's ex-Opert, but more likely the ex-Rosberg & others (06?)
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Hadfield B40 is meant to be keke rosberg Opert team car
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rowan also had b40 f2 hart circa 94 sold to john crowson
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 19:46 (Ref:1556004)   #7
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For what it's worth, I have the following (in addition to those in Allen's post)
03 The second ROC Chrysler car
07 Trillato/Leoni 1977, then Scuderia Everest (Ferrari) 1978
09 Japan (Nissan)
10 Japan
11 not built
12 Japan
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 20:33 (Ref:1556048)   #8
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I missed this:

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Originally Posted by Dan Rear 30 Aug 2005
Following on from Oulton, I have a few 'Bolton observations' to note !

Of the 3 B40s there, Hadfield/Pye, Sidgwick, Burnett, the first was confirmed as -06, the Keke '77 car. I didn't have a pen to hand to take notes, but I think the Burnett one was described as -11 ex-KWS/Ludwig, then Iain Mclaren. The Sidgwick one wasn't numbered IIRC. Or perhaps I'm mixing up the latter 2... So unless it was the missing one above, where is the Opert/Prost-Ron Harper one now, -08 I think ?

I should add that my observations were only quick ones, and shouldn't be taken as conclusive 'proof' of identities. Merely the ramblings of an enthusiastic amateur, with VERY little technical knowledge !!!
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 20:36 (Ref:1556050)   #9
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For what it's worth, I have the following (in addition to those in Allen's post)
03 The second ROC Chrysler car
07 Trillato/Leoni 1977, then Scuderia Everest (Ferrari) 1978
09 Japan (Nissan)
10 Japan
11 not built
12 Japan
The numbers 03 and 07 were used for those cars in F1R but with dots after them to denote that they were suspect. I'm not sure how many of these numbers to really trust. Do you have a non-F1R source for 03 and 07?

I quite forgot that chassis 11 would not have been built so I agree the Japanese cars are likely to be 09, 10 and 12. Do you have a source for those numbers or would they have been by process of elimination?

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Old 21 Mar 2006, 21:36 (Ref:1556118)   #10
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<expletive deleted>! I just found B40 stuff on the B34-39 thread. This dates from 3 Mar 2003.

Chris's list is much better than mine:

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... here are Chevron B40 ... summaries to spark further debate:

Chassis 1 Hart 420R: 1977: Works/Ardmore/ICI: Ray Mallock/Patrick Tambay/Guy Edwards/Brian Henton
Chassis 2-BMW M12: 1977: Trivatello: Riccardo Patrese [taken to Japanese GP late season and won] 1978: F1R say Roloil: Sandro Cinotti [I wonder why didnít the car stay in Japan?
Chassis 3-Chrysler: 1977: ROC : Michel Pignard
Chassis 4-Chrysler: 1977: ROC: Jean-Pierre Jaussaud; 1978: Sc. Everest [BMW engine]: Gianfranco Brancatelli/Giancarlo Martini/Miguel-Angel Guerra/Clay Regazzoni
Chassis 5-Hart 420R: Opert: Wink Bancroft
Chassis 6-Hart 420R: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1978: Opert: Alain Prost
Chassis 7-BMW M12: 1977: Trivatello: Lamberto Leoni; 1978: Sc. Everest [Ferrari engine]: Elio de Angelis
Chassis 8-Hart 420R: 1977: Opert: Jacques Laffite/Gregg Young; unknown to 1980 then Ron Harper
Chassis 9-Nissan: Probably Kojima: Masahiro Hasemi [BMW engine late season]; 1979: Tomy Racing for Hasemi
Chassis 10-BMW M12: Probably Keiji Matsumoto; 1978 maybe used by Fumiyasi Satoh for F.Pacific
Chassis 11 Not built
Chassis 12- BMW: Probably for Tetsu Ikuzawa, retained 1979
Chassis 14-BMW: KWS Autotechnik: Klaus Ludwig; 1978: KWS: Rudi Deutsch (perhaps rented to Helmut Bross for Wolfgang Locher at Nurburgring F2) then sold to Iain McLaren [appears Mallory 30.7 G8]. For sale as chassis 14 A.S. 8.3.79 in UK, '5 races from new' but a subsequent also says it's ex Iain McLaren; See also MN 'Bob Leckie, Chevron B40, the ex Iain McLaren car' 26.7.79 p.9

Problem cars
1979: Kojima: Masahiro Hasemi [FPac]
Matusmoto and Satoh probably run in the same team with a B40-BMW which may also be swapped for a Nissan engine for Pacific races, or there is another B40 with a Toyota in the team for 1978 onwards.
1979: Harada: Noritake Takahara
1979: Speed Star: Masao Segawa
1979: Nico Nicole (Japan)
1979: Vicic: Patrese spare JAF GP
1979: Phoenix: Brian Henton [Suzuka 5.3; Lamberto Leoni Fuji 3.5; Ghinzani Suzuka 21.5; Masami Kuwashima [Suzuka 2.7]
1979: Phoenix: Larry Perkins [Fuji 3.5; Gabbiani Suzuka 21.5; Naohiro Fujita [Suzuka 2.7]Patrick Gaillard
Phoenix had two cars in 79 and there's no certainty that the Gabbiani car wasn't that used by Henton etc.
BMW engine [debut 20.8.78 Salzburgring] Werner Ruckelshausen
Albert Poon [F. Pacific] probably a B39
1979: Paul Gibson
1980: Kazuyoshi Hoshino [Suzuka FPac: Nissan engine]
1980: Fumio Moto [Suzuka FPac: Nissan engine]
1980: Fumiyasi Sato [Suzuka FPac: Toyota engine]
I'm not comfortable with the identification of 03, 04 and 07. In F1R, 03 and 07 had dots after them whereas 04 just doesn't look right.

We then had this on 5 March
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There was a B40 rolling chassis that has just been sold in Japan, alledgedly chassis 07, formerly Nissan powered and originally driven by Masahiro Hasemi. I didn't get the buyers name. You had him down for 09 but the seller's say 07.
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Teretonga

Thanks for that. My only source for B40 no. 7 as a European car at the start of its life is F1R, who are unreliable on F2 in that period. So, it could be that 7 was the original Hasemi car. However, equally possible is that the car eventually made its way to Japan after a couple of seasons in Europe and became the basis for Hasemi's B40 in F. Pacific racing, meaning that Hasemi used two different B40s at different times.

My attribution of chassis 9 to Hasemi as the Kojima car is based on there being three vacant numbers in the build series [ie cars not raced in Europe] and three Japanese B40s from new. Kojima's was the first to appear, hence the first vacant number. I'll do some more digging!

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Old 22 Mar 2006, 09:29 (Ref:1557397)   #11
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Following on from Oulton, I have a few 'Bolton observations' to note !

Of the 3 B40s there, Hadfield/Pye, Sidgwick, Burnett, the first was confirmed as -06, the Keke '77 car. I didn't have a pen to hand to take notes, but I think the Burnett one was described as -11 ex-KWS/Ludwig, then Iain Mclaren. The Sidgwick one wasn't numbered IIRC. Or perhaps I'm mixing up the latter 2... So unless it was the missing one above, where is the Opert/Prost-Ron Harper one now, -08 I think ?

I should add that my observations were only quick ones, and shouldn't be taken as conclusive 'proof' of identities. Merely the ramblings of an enthusiastic amateur, with VERY little technical knowledge !!!

The Mike Sidgwick car is one of the ex-Fred Opert cars. It was raced in the Thruxton F2 event by Bertil Roos before going 'over the pond' for the Atlantic series.
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Are you sure Steve, I don't recall Roos in Euro F2 as late as '77. And would a B40 have done US Atlantic ?? I presume the Gibson car, in '79 I think, was -06, which Ron Harper later had. Anyone recall the car advertised by Dinorben Arms Inn - which was NOT the Mather B34D.
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Are you sure Steve, I don't recall Roos in Euro F2 as late as '77. And would a B40 have done US Atlantic ??
The mind playing tricks again. This is what happens when you can't find your notes! It was in fact Wink Bancroft who drove the car at Silverstone and Thruxton in 1977 not Roos!

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The numbers 03 and 07 were used for those cars in F1R but with dots after them to denote that they were suspect. I'm not sure how many of these numbers to really trust. Do you have a non-F1R source for 03 and 07?
Just to add my two-pennyworth, I agree with Allen.
As I attended the two UK races in 78 for F1R, and no Everest B40s were there, I am 99% certain that the numbers attributed by F1R to the Everest B40s in 1978 must have been guesses (?from press reports). I'm sure no-one else from F1R attended any 1978 continental F2 races, so couldn't have seen these cars in the flesh.
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What about the ROC/Chrysler cars? Did you see either of those "in the flesh"?

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