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Old 15 Sep 2006, 15:47 (Ref:1711169)   #1
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Chevron B16

This thread is for the very brave indeed. The following list appeared in HSCC Newsletter Jan 1985 p7 accompanying a letter from Peter Grant that was complaining about replica B16s even then. The first list, he said, "can be confirmed by Paul Owen, Graham Gould and Roger Anderson [sic]". He meant Andreason.

Chevron B16 Manufactured 1969-1971

01 Works Car
02 Works Car
03 D. Mortland
04 Robins
05 Baker USA (written off 1970)
06 J. Burton
07 Red Rose Racing - J. Bridges
08 I. Skailes
09 Koepchen Tuning (BMW Questor Car)
10 Works Car (Written off in Germany 1970)
11 Not manufactured
12 Skelen (Crashed in Germany; still about)
13 Not manufactured
14 Yves Deprez (Belgium fitted Mazda engine)
15 Cowdley
16 T.A.P.
17 Baker USA
18 Not manufactured
19 Not manufactured
20 J. Siffert Switzerland
21 Baker USA
22 Not manufactured
23 Not manufactured
24 Not manufactured
25 Not manufactured
26 Not manufactured
27 J. Siffert Switzerland
28 J. Siffert Switzerland
29 Dobby
30 Not manufactured
31 Not manufactured
32 Not manufactured
33 Not manufactured
34 Sevart 1971
35 R. Hevans
36 J. Siffert (Burnt out Goodwood 1983)

From 1969 - 1970, 20 B16 were built
1971 3 B16 were built
A total of 23 cars

Present history of B16 cars and owners
01 Phoenix Arizona USA
04 Richard Budge
06 Tony Griffiths
07 Peter Grant
08 Andrew Fletcher - rebuilt after bad crash
09 Ex Simon Phillips - driven by B. Bell (Sold to Sweden 1984)
12 Claus Petz Beckhauser (in bits in Germany)
20 Brian Taylor


So, how much can we add to this?

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Old 15 Sep 2006, 15:52 (Ref:1711172)   #2
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I've rescued this snippet from another thread:

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B16-DBE01 1969 Gr.5/6 Ken Walker
B16-DBE02 Ford Gr.5/6 John Bridges
B16-DBE04 Ford Gr.5/6 Chevron Cars => Brian Robinson
B16-DBE06 Ford Gr.5/6 Worcestershire Racing Asocciation (Burton)
B16-DBE07 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Red Rose Racing (J. Bridges)
B16-DBE08 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Willie Tuckett
B16-DBE09 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Koepchen Tuning
B16-DBE10 1970 Gr.5/6
B16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racing
B16-DBE19 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Eris Tondelli
B16-DBE26 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Chevron Racing Team
B16-DBE34 1970 Gr.5/6 Tilmant
B16S-70-01 Ford FVC 1970 Gr.6 Chevron Cars (Redman) => Team Gunston ...=> Jo Siffert Automobiles Racing Ltd....=> Don Shead
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Old 15 Sep 2006, 15:53 (Ref:1711174)   #3
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And also this:

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A few more cars from my research on Roger Heavens B 16

1970 B 16 /17 T.A.P
1970 B 16/027 J Siffert
1970 B 16/028 J Siffert BMW
1970 B 16/029 Dennis Dobie (Dart)
1971 B 16/035 Roger Heavens FVA
1971 B 16/036 J. Siffert


I hope this will be of help
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Old 15 Sep 2006, 17:26 (Ref:1711250)   #4
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I can add these amalgamated posts of yours from an earlier thread, Allen, and may be able to add some others, later, too

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I'll add this, found in Sport Auto's report on the 1971 300 km d'Auvergne (August 1971 p63-65).

The Chevron B16s listed are:

Robinson B16/4
Tilmant/Dubos B16/34
Ken Walker B16/1

The Chevron book says 23 built in 1969 and 1970 plus a B16-Spyder built in 1970. Debut race Nurburgring 7 Sep 1969.

Mathews Collection have B16 DBE21 here. http://www.mathewscollection.com/for...er_Chevron.htm No history given.

Also, there's B16 DBE32, said to have been built in 1981, here. (this link lost -JT)


And finally B16 DBE24 in the Boxenstop Museum here. http://www.barchetta.cc/all.ferraris...ery/index.html

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Old 15 Sep 2006, 17:36 (Ref:1711255)   #5
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Thanks John. The links in that last post have gone, presumably because it's quoted. Could we get them back? (Two out of three recovered - JT)

Interesting that three cars that Peter said weren't built, 19, 24 and 26, are showing up already plus 32 which was acknowledged as a 1981 build. I think you may be able to find a post on 18 as well.

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Old 15 Sep 2006, 18:18 (Ref:1711277)   #6
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The last of the salvageable posts:-

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What about the two adverts on page 101 of the present issue of Classic & Sports Car [May 2006]? One by Martin Chisholm Collectors Cars Ltd shows a red B16 "built by Chevron in 1983 using original components.... accepted and raced in the World Sportscar Master series.... recently restored by Peter Denty and fitted with a new Richardson FVC". The other advert by Taylor and Crawley shows a 'Gulf blue/orange' B16 said to be ex -Ecurie Francorchamps and fitted with a fresh Richardson FVC.
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Alan,
The red B16 is in the archive section of www.race-cars.com and is listed a being built 1983 for the then new director of Chevron. Lawrence Jacobson used the chassis number DBE018 for the car as that was a number not used in period according to the script on the site.
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The other advert by Taylor and Crawley shows a 'Gulf blue/orange' B16 said to be ex -Ecurie Francorchamps and fitted with a fresh Richardson FVC.


This car is still being advertised by Taylor & Crawley (page 167 of the August issue od C&CS) who are now saying this is Chassis no.15.
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Old 15 Sep 2006, 18:46 (Ref:1711306)   #7
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I cant wait to see how this thread develops-I reckon I have seen just five real, proper,unambiguous B16s!
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Old 15 Sep 2006, 21:09 (Ref:1711409)   #8
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Also, there's B16 DBE32, said to have been built in 1981, here. (this link lost -JT)
Nothing's ever lost on the Internet. The Classic Car Collection website no longer shows this car (I know, but it takes less time to say 'link lost!' - JT) but I can tell you that it used to say:
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FIA papers, mint condition, but no history, build in 1981, for the purpose of the former Formuna 1 racer Reine Wisell. This is one of the most competitive B 16’s available on the market. Currently fitted with a DBG 2000cc engine but includes another ...

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Old 15 Sep 2006, 21:18 (Ref:1711417)   #9
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One thing I should point out about Peter Grant's letter which started this thread is that Tim Colman of Chevron Cars Ltd (the new company that had acquired Chevron's assets from Robin Smith) wrote into the next edition of the newsletter saying that it wasn't quite that simple. Firstly, although gaps appear in Chevron's records, that doesn't necessarily mean that the car wasn't built. Some cars were sold without all the paperwork being completed and that may explain a few of the gaps. Secondly, B16s were converted to B19 and even B21 or B23 spec and may have been given new chassis plates at that time. When B16 values increased, these cars may have been converted back to B16 spec in some way.

The problem at the time seems to be that B19s and B21s were being converted 'back' to B16 spec.

There were five B16s entered in the HSCC series for 1985. More of them later.

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Old 15 Sep 2006, 22:06 (Ref:1711440)   #10
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A few B16 cars were sent to the factory in 72 and converted to B21 cars (same as B19 but with a different cockpit section), as many key components, such as engines, g/box, wheels and uprights were the same as B21.

The B16S car was the forerunner the B19, so it's highly likely that the B16 chassis was similar to the B19/21 chassis making it economical for the owner of a 1967/8 car to upgrade his 'old' car to a modern race car.

A similar thing happened to the B8 cars converted to make the Gropa 2 Litre GP5/6 race cars with the historic racing scene of the 1980`s when the cars were converted back to more "valuable" B6/8 race cars.

So, Allen, you now have a list of cars that you can create the then and now database.

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Known 'continuation cars'

Race-cars.com have had three B16s and all are acknowledged as continuation cars.

DBE 18 Built 1983 by Chevron race cars for Lawrence Jacobson. To Roger Pitts (California) 1990 - Ed Swart (Rolling Hills, California) - Robert Manschot (Arizona) by 1996 - vendor late 1996. Sold by Race-cars.com.

B16 32 Built by Vin Malkie. Raced extensively in US.

B16-47 "B16 replica" "Purchased new in the UK from Chevron Cars UK built from original jigs with Carbon Kevlar bodywork". In South Africa.

Once again, I am so grateful to race-cars.com for that archive and for the diligent way they document all know history of the cars they offer.

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Old 16 Sep 2006, 17:27 (Ref:1711929)   #12
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Allen are u being facitous here??Once again, I am so grateful to race-cars.com for that archive and for the diligent way they document all know history of the cars they offer.


What was the Mazda b16 chassis numberB16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racingok ive found it maybe my question should be what happened to it!!
Stephen Minoprio is racing a car now with mazda 12a in it but its not the original car
im sure of the original 23 cars built all 27 are now running
no doubt the b16 cars turned into b21 will suddenly re appear !!
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Old 16 Sep 2006, 17:45 (Ref:1711935)   #13
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No I'm not being facetious. How many race car dealers bother to go to that effort and then go to the trouble of making those details available for posterity? Not many.

More likely is "Chevron B16. POA. Phone for details."

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The list of cars as posted here merged for ease and any comments !!
Chevron B16 Manufactured 1969-1971 Present history of B16 cars and owners
01 Works Car B16-DBE01 1969 Gr.5/6 Ken Walker 01 Phoenix Arizona USA
02 Works Car B16-DBE02 Ford Gr.5/6 John Bridges
03 D. Mortland
04 Robins B16-DBE04 Ford Gr.5/6 Chevron Cars => Brian Robinson 04 Richard Budge

05 Baker USA (written off 1970)
06 J. Burton B16-DBE06 Ford Gr.5/6 Worcestershire Racing Asocciation (Burton) 06 Tony Griffiths
07 Red Rose Racing - J. Bridges B16-DBE07 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Red Rose Racing (J. Bridges) 07 Peter Grant
08 I. Skailes
B16-DBE08 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Willie Tuckett 08 Andrew Fletcher - rebuilt after bad crash

09 Koepchen Tuning (BMW Questor Car) B16-DBE09 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Koepchen Tuning 09 Ex Simon Phillips - driven by B. Bell (Sold to Sweden 1984)
10 Works Car (Written off in Germany 1970)
B16-DBE10 1970 Gr.5/6

11 Not manufactured
12 Skelen (Crashed in Germany; still about)
12 Claus Petz Beckhauser (in bits in Germany)
13 Not manufactured
14 Yves Deprez (Belgium fitted Mazda engine)
B16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racing
15 Cowdley
16 T.A.P.
17 Baker USA
18 Not manufactured

19 Not manufactured B16-DBE19 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Eris Tondelli
20 J. Siffert Switzerland 20 Brian Taylor

21 Baker USA
22 Not manufactured
23 Not manufactured
24 Not manufactured
25 Not manufactured
26 Not manufactured
B16-DBE26 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Chevron Racing Team

27 J. Siffert Switzerland
28 J. Siffert Switzerland
29 Dobby
30 Not manufactured
31 Not manufactured
32 Not manufactured
33 Not manufactured
34 Sevart 1971
B16-DBE34 1970 Gr.5/6 Tilmant

35 R. Heavans
36 J. Siffert (Burnt out Goodwood 1983)
B16S-70-01 Ford FVC 1970 Gr.6 Chevron Cars (Redman) => Team Gunston ...=> Jo Siffert Automobiles Racing Ltd....=> Don Shead
From 1969 - 1970, 20 B16 were built
1971 3 B16 were built
A total of 23 cars
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The original Mazda car exists in a private collection and when found still had the period tyres fitted. Lord Laidlaws is one other of the "famous five"- any guesses for the other three? The best story I have heard so far is of the original owner of one of the updated B16/21/23s (long since sold) decides to "rebuild" his identity, to find on completion that 3 B16s already exist with his number!
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