A win a season

downforce · 8 Feb 2005, 15:59 (Ref:1220499)

Michael Schumacher has won in practically any sort of racing machine he has raced. Incredibly hes won in every full F1 season hes participated in!

Is he the only F1 driver to do so?

BootsOntheSide · 8 Feb 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1220575)

Ayrton Senna missed one race in his first season (1984), and Prost missed 2 or 3 in his (1980) and missed the last race in 1991, so in essence both of those count. Jackie Stewart comes to mind as a possibility as well, not forgetting Fangio, although by the time the World Championship had started he was already at his peak.

krt917 · 8 Feb 2005, 17:13 (Ref:1220588)

Fangio didn't win a championship GP in 1952 due to an injury sustained early in the year, but still won a GP in every season in which he competed fully.

I'd have to check, but I'm not sure if Stewart took a win in 1967, though he did in every other year in which he was in F1.

Apart from Schuey and Fangio, I am struggling a bit, though - as boots says - Senna and Prost count if you say that '80, '84, and '91 seasons weren't 'full' seasons in their particular cases.

BootsOntheSide · 8 Feb 2005, 17:33 (Ref:1220604)

I don't think Fangio even started a world championship race in 1952, but don't quote me on that. Gilles Villenueve won in 3 of the 4 full seasons he did, if it weren't for the awful 1980 Ferrari he'd be in the list as well. And how about Moss?

alesi95 · 8 Feb 2005, 19:06 (Ref:1220689)

Quote:

Originally Posted by downforce

Michael Schumacher has won in practically any sort of racing machine he has raced. Incredibly hes won in every full F1 season hes participated in!

Is he the only F1 driver to do so?

He almost didnt in 93.

Don K · 9 Feb 2005, 10:12 (Ref:1220815)

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Originally Posted by krt917

I'd have to check, but I'm not sure if Stewart took a win in 1967, though he did in every other year in which he was in F1.

Jackie Stewart did not win a race in 1976.
He did participate in each of the 11 races that season.

krt917 · 9 Feb 2005, 12:39 (Ref:1220929)

Thanks Don. Thought so.

Moss certainly won at least one GP every year after his first win in 1955 until 1961. Before that, he had competed in championship GPs, but whether or not he had done a full season before '55 I don't know (my books are not at hand!).

downforce · 9 Feb 2005, 15:57 (Ref:1221060)

What happened to Senna in San Marino in 1984...anyone recall?

BootsOntheSide · 9 Feb 2005, 17:45 (Ref:1221139)

Isn't that the one he failed to qualify for due to tyre issues (Pirelli pulling out at the last minute)? Even then, the team dropped him for Monza after he signed for Lotus, so it wasn't a 'complete' season as such.

Even winning a race in every season after taking your first win is a rare achievement - one only Schumacher, Fangio, Senna, Moss, Prost (if you discount 1991), Mansell (if you discount 1988 - he missed 2 races due to a virus), Hakkinen, Barrichello and maybe a few others can claim.

As a slightly different question, how many dirvers have taken their first win in their first year's-worth of races? Schumacher's first win was his 17th race, in an era of 16-race seasons, so he doesn't quite make that list. Hill and Senna do, if you don't count failures to qualify, and JV and JPM obviously do.

rbs · 9 Feb 2005, 21:29 (Ref:1221369)

Stewart was doing well in 1976 . He retired at the end of 1973 !!!

Skam85 · 9 Feb 2005, 22:55 (Ref:1221443)

Barrichello you can't add to that list. He won in 2000, but not in 2001.

**Adam43** · 9 Feb 2005, 23:47 (Ref:1221489)

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Originally Posted by Skam85

Barrichello you can't add to that list. He won in 2000, but not in 2001.

?
and he has been in F1 since 1993 and didn't win until 2000. So there are seven other years he hasn't won!

He did grab a couple of poles IIRC.

**Adam43** · 9 Feb 2005, 23:49 (Ref:1221490)

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Originally Posted by rbs

Stewart was doing well in 1976 . He retired at the end of 1973 !!!

I think it is clear that Don K's post was a typo. the 7 and the 6 should be the other way round. He was responding to a query about 1967.

Skam85 · 10 Feb 2005, 04:53 (Ref:1221605)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

?
and he has been in F1 since 1993 and didn't win until 2000. So there are seven other years he hasn't won

What I meant was that he hasn't won a race every season since he won his first race.

Dutton · 10 Feb 2005, 07:46 (Ref:1221660)

Could you really consider 1999 a full season for Michael? I would put it in the category of the Senna/Prost style seasons previously mentioned. In effect it, and they, was/were full in the context of this thread.

Kicking-back · 10 Feb 2005, 08:05 (Ref:1221674)

I wouldn't compare those.

Schumacher missed between a third and a half of 1999 (and still won races)

Prost only missed one race in 1991 and Senna one in 1984

Dutton · 10 Feb 2005, 08:08 (Ref:1221678)

I meant in terms of they would have competed in normal circumstances.

Kicking-back · 10 Feb 2005, 08:10 (Ref:1221680)

Yes, absolutely then.

krt917 · 10 Feb 2005, 10:59 (Ref:1221813)

Right, I've checked - Moss didn't compete in 2 of the GPs in 1954, so he won at least a GP in every season he entered fully (and 2 in 1960, when he missed some races).

Fangio did not race in a championship GP in 1952

What defines a full season is open to debate, of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

As a slightly different question, how many dirvers have taken their first win in their first year's-worth of races? Schumacher's first win was his 17th race, in an era of 16-race seasons, so he doesn't quite make that list. Hill and Senna do, if you don't count failures to qualify, and JV and JPM obviously do.

Stewart won his first championship (Italian GP) race in 1965, his first season.

N I Tram · 10 Feb 2005, 12:14 (Ref:1221889)

So we've got Schumacher and Fangio undoubtedly, and Prost, Senna and Moss if we only count seasons in which ever race was started. If we're looking for more records that Schumacher has, which I think was the aim of the post, how about the span of his victories, in terms either of the number of races or the amount of time? I'm sure he got that late last season.

x_acto · 10 Feb 2005, 16:21 (Ref:1222098)

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Originally Posted by downforce

What happened to Senna in San Marino in 1984...anyone recall?

Did not qualify

Rich R · 10 Feb 2005, 19:00 (Ref:1222251)

while were talking about a win a season, ferrari are on their longest consecutive season winning streak. they have won at least 1 race a season since 1994, thats 11 consecutive seasons. they have to win at least a race a year for the next 2 years to match mclaren's longest winning sequence 81-93.

Dutton · 11 Feb 2005, 04:29 (Ref:1222649)

I think they have a reasonable chance of achieving that.

BootsOntheSide · 11 Feb 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1222868)

Yea, although Williams only missed one season (1988) between 1979 and 1997 - and even then Mansell managed 2nd places in a transitional season for the team.

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