Where are Brock's Race cars?

[M-Kart]

Ok, here's a bit of an update on a few things.

The Birrana F2 cars:
As mentioned earlier in the thread, Peter's 2 Birrana's were:

Birrana 272-002 originally a birrana factory car for Malcolm Ramsay and Henk Woelders, used by PB in 1972, then sold on to Bernie Zampatti for 1973, when Peter upgraded to:

Birrana 273-008, Peter's 1973 car, also sold to Zampatti, in March 1974. This is the car (008) that has recently been restored in melbourne by Bruce Mactier, & presented back to Bernie Zampetti by his family.

The original car (002) was beleived to have been almost completely destroyed in a crash some years later, however it has resufaced in some for and is presently beng restored in WA by Glen Caple. This can be seen here on the Western Australia Racing Museum associate's cars page:
http://www.warm.org.au/images/WARM-a...na/Birrana.htm

(most of the above has already been mentioned, but felt that the story should be refreshed when posted the new link to the 002 car, as the old birrana talk was a breif bit back on page 11).


Porsche 924:
As for the Porsche 924 Carrera GTR that PB/Bond/Jim Richards tried to qualify (but didnt) at Le Mans 1981, it is on this page, towards the bottom:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-14-photo.html
(Car #74, enetered in gold & dark green colours by Porsche Cars Australia).

Now cant assist much as to where it is now, but the fact that Porsche Australa entered it, and it is beleived (mentioned earlier in the thread by someone) that Bond ran it for a few years after means that it may still be in Australia.

Below is the larger photo of it, so at least those who didnt know about it before this thread (like me) can see what it looks like! I hope this is a start to uncovering this car's location!


M-Kart

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by M-Kart

Ok, here's a bit of an update on a few things.



Porsche 924:
As for the Porsche 924 Carrera GTR that PB/Bond/Jim Richards tried to qualify (but didnt) at Le Mans 1981, it is on this page, towards the bottom:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-14-photo.html
(Car #74, enetered in gold & dark green colours by Porsche Cars Australia).

Now cant assist much as to where it is now, but the fact that Porsche Australa entered it, and it is beleived (mentioned earlier in the thread by someone) that Bond ran it for a few years after means that it may still be in Australia.

Below is the larger photo of it, so at least those who didnt know about it before this thread (like me) can see what it looks like! I hope this is a start to uncovering this car's location!


M-Kart

Allan Hamilton (Porsche Cars Australia) advertised the car internationally as a Porsche 944 Turbo - I understood it was sold out of Australia.

I have surfed the net looking for a listing of the 924GTRs (were there 17 or 19 built?).

[M-Kart]

Originally Posted by cavvy

Allan Hamilton (Porsche Cars Australia) advertised the car internationally as a Porsche 944 Turbo - I understood it was sold out of Australia.

I have surfed the net looking for a listing of the 924GTRs (were there 17 or 19 built?).

Thnaks for that Cavvy - i assume this would be the same car that Bond ran for a few years after as a 944 then, in white/black/yellow/red porsche colours? (this car here):
http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/ite....html?cache=no

(and i also have been looking for a register for the 924GTR's aswell - havent had any luck as yet).

According to the 'Porsche 924' page on Wikipedia, in the table titled '924 Special Production', there were 17 924 Carrera GTR's built, all in 1981. See: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...00#post1857100

[scoupe]

For all 924 etc info start here lots of Aussies on it.

http://www.924board.org/

[chavez]

By coincidence I purchased the July 1981 issue of Racing Car News last Friday. It has an interview with Brocky about his attempt to qualify the 924 at Le Mans with Bondy and Richo.

Apparently they were second reserve and were a chance to start but the car was so bad (mainly gear selection problems) that even if they were given permission to start they probably would have declined the offer!

[rogered]

93 vp belived to be ex brock was in nz from mid 90s (lamont gulson)
i had my bum in i of the rs500s about 4 years ago.
I belive it shares a good home with the other brock cars in queensland

[chavez]

The '74 ATCC winner was on show today at Como Gardens in outer eastern Melbourne.

[Camaroz]

Originally Posted by chavez

The '74 ATCC winner was on show today at Como Gardens in outer eastern Melbourne.

Was that the $500K Car?

Was the 1973 Bathurst and 1974 ATCC winner the same car?

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Camaroz

Was that the $500K Car?

Was the 1973 Bathurst and 1974 ATCC winner the same car?

The '74 ATCC winning car was the '73 Bathurst car.

Not sure about the price.

[racer69]

One should mention it is half the '74 ATCC winning car. HDT had switched to the SLR-5000 model by the end of the 1974 ATCC, though it was the XU1 which did the groundwork for it....

[johnh875]

Not sure if you would class it as one of his race cars, but Peter Brock's Austin 7 was up at the Winton historics on the weekend.

[Group'C']

This thread seams to have slowed a lot, maybe this needs a link in the Aussie section
I would have thought old cars that Brock drove would be coming out of the wood work by now.

We where talking about a couple of cars yesterday. The 2 B&D Autos cars !

The 'Beast' 6cyl LJ Sports sedan version ended up on the Glenorchy tip after Tim Smith inverted it into a tree on the top straight at Baskerville. This was the first car to use the Phill Irving Alloy head

L34 sold on to Bob Forbes to become the second Andonicas Coffee shop car, location now unknow. The car was built by HDT

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Alex E

Hi auzziemonza / racer69,
Re the CSL. The car did race at Kyalami in `75 with Bell / Redman driving. So it probaly went straght to Australia. And it never appeared again over here until Le Mans.
alex

Alex,
How is the rebuild going? Any photos/a web site?

[Alex E]

Hi Cavvy,
good progress is being made with the car, I would expect it to be running by spring if all goes well.
I would happily post some pictures but no idea how to ! PM me your e-mail address & I will send you some.

Alex

[Camaroz]

Anyone help?

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/200...44_ntnews.html

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Camaroz

Anyone help?

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/200...44_ntnews.html

Maybe Phil?? see my post in Group C etc

[Camaroz]

The Historic Touring Car Eligibility Committee (HTCEC) has deliberated on my CoD Application for my car as the 1980 Bathurst winning VC Commodore and, based strongly on the advice of one of its members, has decided that it is the Benson-Brown car (as of Friday 21 December). So there you go! I no longer lay claim to having the 1980 Bathurst Winner. It was the same member of the HTCEC that advised me that he had been contacted by the owner of the mystery NT car who told him he had an ex-Keogh car in its original (1984) condition but he didn't get a name or contact number, hence my ads in the NT Times, my ad on the North Australian Motor Sports Club (www.namsc.org.au) and countless phone calls to lots of racers in the NT looking for this car this enquiry then led to the article by the NT Times on December 13. Almost by a miracle, a poster on the brockcommodores forums (who has very close tie's with a very wealthy Queensland collector) tells us all that he believes the car that is (was) in the NT has been found! This car could be the missing Keogh car that means that it could be the 1980 Bathurst Winner (that I and past owners and crew thought I had) and is now with a very "private person" who doesn't want to be inundated with questions!!!!! In time, no doubt, it will end up in Queensland, I look forward to reading all about it in Australian Muscle Car magazine and the CAMS HTCEC verifying this most significant car. All in all - it is a miracle! Don't you agree?

[drbob]

Camaroz,what was the advice of the HTCEC member that lead to your claim being knocked back. I hope it wasn't on the basis of an anonymous source. You would hope that they would have fairly reasonable information, not hearsay, to knock your claim back

[Camaroz]

Originally Posted by drbob

Camaroz,what was the advice of the HTCEC member that lead to your claim being knocked back. I hope it wasn't on the basis of an anonymous source. You would hope that they would have fairly reasonable information, not hearsay, to knock your claim back

I haven't been told the specifics! Just that "based on clear photographic evidence". I will now fully research the Benson-Brown car.

[MattV]

Now I may be stupid but.....

How can they determine from photgraphic evidence whether the car is one or the other when it has been restored to look like one of the cars?

Also, if both cars looked the same at birth and death how can they work out which is which without the log books etc?

Camaroz does this mean you are able to say you own the 1980 ATCC winner if you can't say you own the Bathurst winner - or did I read the article wrong?

[Camaroz]

Originally Posted by MattV

Now I may be stupid but.....

How can they determine from photgraphic evidence whether the car is one or the other when it has been restored to look like one of the cars?

Also, if both cars looked the same at birth and death how can they work out which is which without the log books etc?

Camaroz does this mean you are able to say you own the 1980 ATCC winner if you can't say you own the Bathurst winner - or did I read the article wrong?

Thought an Update was needed on the MHDT Commodores.

History of Marlboro Holden Dealer Team Group C Commodore Race Cars – VB – VK, 1980 – 1984. Data as at December 2008.

Of the seven Marlboro HDT Commodores built, at this stage all but one can be fully accounted for. As follows,

Car 1. 1980 VB/VC.
1980 VB, Brock ATTC (1st)
1980 CRC 300, Brock/Harvey (1st)
1980 VB, Endurance Champs, Adelaide – Harvey (2nd),
VC, Sandown – Moffat (3rd) Bathurst - Harvey/Harrop (DNF)
1981 ATCC Benson-Brown, Larry Perkins, Capt Peter Janson.
1981 Benson-Brown/Rogers Bathurst (4th)
Car in 81 ‘Big’ Bathurst Crash. Rebuilt*.
(*some suggestion re-bodied but not from reliable source or can be substantiated)
1982 Benson-Brown – Some ATCC.
1982 Benson-Brown/Charlie O’Brien. Bathurst.
1983 Benson-Brown/Garry Rogers – Some ATCC
1983 Benson-Brown/Garry Rogers Bathurst.
1984 Purchased by Jim Keogh. 2nd Northern Territory/FoxFM Car
1984 Sandown. Wayne Clift/Bernie Stack/Jim Keogh.
1984 Bathurst. Wayne Clift/Bernie Stack.
1985 VK Grp A. Keogh most ATCC Rounds.
1985 VK Grp A, Ellis/McClure. Sandown and Bathurst (DNF).
1986 VK Grp A, Ellis. Selected ATCC Rounds.
1986 VK Grp A, Ellis/Baily, Sandown (DNF) and Bathurst (16th)
1987 VK Grp A. Ellis. Selected ATCC Rounds.
(Last race, ATCC – Sandown June 7th 1987, DNF)
1987 – 2003. Gary O’Brien – rolling shell.
2003 Restoration back to VB 1980 ATCC Winner

Car 2. 1980 VB/VC.
1980 VB, Endurance Champs, Adelaide - Brock (1st)
VC, Sandown – Brock (1st)
Bathurst – Brock/Richards (1st).
1981 Brock ATCC. (2nd)
1981 Endurance Champs, Adelaide – Harvey (2nd),
CRC 300, Amaroo Park – Brock/Harvey (1st),
Sandown - Harvey/Schuppan (4th)
Bathurst – Harvey/Schuppan (crashed)
1983 VH, Keogh ATCC, AMSCAR, Endurance Champs,
1983 Bathurst – Keogh/Leonard (6th).
1984 VH, Keogh ATCC, AMSCAR, Endurance Champs,
1984 Bathurst – Keogh/Shiel (DNF).
1984. Sold as Roller. Whereabouts – 2008 - somewhere in Victoria.

Car 3. 1981 VC/VH.
1981 VC, Endurance Champs, Adelaide – Brock (1st)
Sandown – Brock (1st) Bathurst - Brock/Richards (22nd) Surfers Paradise* – Brock (2nd).
* Brock first across the line but penalised 1 min for push start.
1982 Brock ATTC (5th), Brock & Harvey Selected AMSCAR Races.
1982 CRC 300, Amaroo Park – Perkins/Scott (4th)
1982 VH, Endurance Champs. Sandown - Harvey/Scott (4th)
Bathurst – Harvey/Scott (3rd)
1983 (?) VH Show Car
1984 Lusty Family. ATCC, Endurance Champs, Bathurst.
1985 Sold to southern NSW as rolling chassis. Most components went into new VK Group A. Owners since were Wotherspoon(spelling?), Stuart Mc Coll, then someone in Sydney. Steve Williams has the boot hanging in his showroom. Rest of the car went “to the Tip!”

Car 4. 1982 VH.
1982 Endurance Champs, Sandown – Brock (DNF)
Bathurst – Brock/Perkins (1st) Adelaide – Brock (2nd)
1983 Brock ATTC (3rd)
1983 Endurance Champs, Amaroo Park – Brock/Perkins (2nd) Sandown – Harvey/Phil Brock/ Peter Brock. (3rd – Disq)
1983 Harvey/Brock/Perkins (Phil Brock) Bathurst (1st)
1983 Endurance Champs. Adelaide - Harris/Cooke (5th)
1984 Harris, ATCC, Endurance Champs.
1985 Wayne Clift.
2002 Peter Champion

Car 5. 1983 VH
1983 Endurance Champs, Sandown - Brock/Perkins (DNF)
Bathurst - Brock/Perkins (DNF)
Adelaide – Brock (1st)
1984 Brock ATTC* (2nd)
*Harvey subbed for Brock at Surfers Paradise and Lakeside rounds.
1984 Endurance Champs, Amaroo Park – Brock (DNF, Crash)
Oran Park – Harvey/Parsons (DNF)
“Watson’s Display Car” (TBC).
2003 Peter Champion.

Car 6. 1984 VK
1984 Endurance Champs, Sandown Brock/Perkins (1st) Bathurst - Brock/Perkins (1st) Surfers Paradise - Brock, (1st), Calder AGP Supports – Brock (2nd)

Car 7. 1984 VK
1984 Endurance Champs, Sandown - Harvey/Parsons (3rd)
Bathurst - Harvey/Parsons (2nd) Surfers Paradise – Harvey (6th)
Calder AGP Supports – Harvey (4th).

One of these cars is in the Bathurst Museum. The other is owned by Peter Champion.

[kwmatthews]

I have a HDT special vehicle 8/80 VC commodore the build number is MU 1. It was painted in Marlboro colours with the big race flares fitted. Has all the marks of where the roll cage had been fitted. Any ideas on what this car is or was

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Group'C'

I would have thought old cars that Brock drove would be coming out of the wood work by now.

We where talking about a couple of cars yesterday. The 2 B&D Autos cars !

The 'Beast' 6cyl LJ Sports sedan version ended up on the Glenorchy tip after Tim Smith inverted it into a tree on the top straight at Baskerville. This was the first car to use the Phill Irving Alloy head

L34 sold on to Bob Forbes to become the second Andonicas Coffee shop car, location now unknow. The car was built by HDT

Be patient...I'm sure people are working on the "problem"

[gts300]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Be patient...I'm sure people are working on the "problem"

2007 to 2016, must be an answer by now!

[GTRMagic]