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I could race an Improved Production car somewhere in Australia almost any weekend of the year if i wanted to. I could race it in short races like at Bathurst last weekend, I could race in the Wakefield 300km enduro which is coming up, in 6hr relay races etc etc... You could potentially cover more kms per year in an Improved Production car than a V8Supercar does.... what about the Production Sports guys who can run their cars in all over the place in plenty of 1hr races, not to mention tarmac rallies they can all run their cars in too |
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Is that therefore implying that the rulemakers of other categories are not mitigating risks? IP had 45+ cars on the grid at Bathurst last week, and generally always attracts a good entry whenever they race... an accident is an accident whether it be at state level or V8Supercar level Bottom line is that a car isn't any safer just because you race it less |
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Maybe the newest manufacturer to the series will bring resurrect an old favourite, the Dato? http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/b...321-1vj19.html
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Sorry mate, but you're so far off base it's not funny. Are you seriously saying a road car with airbags, SRS etc is safer than a purpose built race car with a state-of-the-art roll cage, centrally-mounted seats, fire protection, wrap-around hooped seats, harness seat belts and so much more? And race cars do indeed dissipate energy. Race cars are built with lightweight doors because the doors offer no protection at these speeds. The protection to drivers starts at the roll cage, which is built as a protective hub around the driver. See a car that hits a tree at 120km/h - how often do people walk away from it? They don't. Yet a race car rarely has a solid impact at less than 120 - yet drivers almost always walk away. |
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Quite right. Race cars are built for a totally different type of accident from a road car, so what is integral on the street is superfluous on track.
Road cars are based on the majority of incidents being fairly low speed and with the driver having minimal personal protection. In addition, the average car is unlikely to suffer a heavy shunt, so to keep prices down it's built in such a way that you accept losing the car in return for escaping serious harm. The race car is built for someone firmly strapped in, helmeted, probably HANS these days and with a level of fire protection and assistance - both emergency and medical - available to hand. It's assumed an incident will be at high speed and it's accepted it's likely to experience several and is intended to be rebuilt afterwards, often quickly. Space frames will flex and components are designed to fail in order to dissipate energy and protect the driver. The physical shell of the car is no longer the impact absorption even in something built from a road vehicle. |
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Nissan dreams of racing but it's not a great time to start pitching a new sedan
Peter McKay April 8, 2012 Nissan has released details of its new world car, the Altima, which in very tenuous terms forms elements of its V8 Supercars contender for 2013 and into the future. Punters have reacted in various ways, some ticking the looks of the new model but others wondering why Nissan is bothering with a mid-sized car to sell against (and race against) Commodore and Falcon in an alarmingly shrinking market segment. Still more web regulars have launched into tirades casting doubts about how a front-drive Altima can ever compete against the current locally made rear-wheel-drive heroes on road and track. On the racetrack, the V8 Altima will bear little in common with the production model. The shape will be customised to fit the off-the-shelf V8 supercars frame, the rear wheels will do the driving, and the engine will be from Nissan's V8 quad-cam family. But it will also have the Altima ''face'' - the grille and headlights, enough to convince plenty of consumers that it's the real deal. Advertisement: Story continues below Whether this significant move is too little too late - for both Nissan and V8 Supercars - remains to be judged next year when local sales of the new Nissan will be tallied, and TV ratings checked against those of the past two-make Holden and Ford-only era. TV desperately needs an interest booster after last weekend's tragic numbers for the Tasmanian round. No doubt, though, that Nissan is putting a huge effort and investment into making the project work. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorspo...#ixzz1rTbOTjor |
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The Nissan marketeers have said they want to use V8Supercar as a platform for growth, growth in sales and growth in image driven by success on the race track. The Altima V8Supercar is a 'Halo' car, a device to get the Nissan nameplate in a competitive environment to show off that it is better than a Holden or a Ford (or a Kia or a Hyundai... or a Great Wall.. )... to have something to talk about. So a Nissan dealership might have big posters on the wall of an Altima race car. And the sales person can show them off, as they do, as to the commitment by Nissan of racing improving the breed. The whole idea of Nissan's commitment to V8Supercar seems to be around sharing new news, of opening up their brand to firstly competition on the circuit, and secondly, to unlock the vast majority of the punters who go watch live, or who watch on the teev, and dont drive a Ford or a Holden I am fairly sure Nissan would have done their homework here, either through an expensive market research crutch, or something as simple as wandering thru the carparks at a V8Supercar meeting. Sure there are Holdens and Fords in the carpark, but plenty of Camry's and Hyundais and Utes and other brands too. Nissan here went off the rails to some extent when they chose to dump the Pulsar nameplate, for the Tiida example. That is being fixed with the new model due later this year. What better way to celebrate the return of Pulsar than to put a mini motor show at each of the V8Supercar rounds, to show off the cars to what is measured at several hundred thousand consumers who will see the Nissan product in an environment where they are already identifying an interest in cars. Maybe they wont replace the FPV or HSV that keeps their blood flow in a certain area of their anatomy, but for the every day car for themselves or their partner, or their kids... a Pulsar or Micra or similar may just be on the shopping list. That's what Nissan is planning on being the case. Ford and Holden have kind of neglected the punter in identifying their new car range at circuit... Ford sometimes has a model lineup, but they dont have them out in the open air, for people to sit in, to look at.... Nissan will... and if the product is right, may in fact improve their foot traffic in dealerships, and product wandering out the door... If the writer has a different marketing proposal.. that might just achieve these kinds of outcomes... maybe the bods at Nissan would like to hear it... |
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Lol........well did you look at this link from my last post.
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I might disagree with GTRmagic in one point, the Nissan V8 supercar is unlikely to be a 'halo' car in the full sense because they already have one in the R35 GTR. The challenge with this is that it is so far removed from their usual product line that the halo limelight is a bit weak in some demographics.
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http://www.v8supercars.com.au/champi...7/default.aspx
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Valid point by GTR, in relation to car companies having cars on display at race meetings. A nice captive audience of about 50,000 people over a weekend, a small percentage would have to be keen on upgrading to a newer model over the next 12 months?
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so what's the go with valve actuation on the nissan supercar V8's, what are they going to use???
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This year at Clipsal Nissan had a GTR, 370z and Patrol on display Holden had a Commodore, cruze, captiva there and ford had the falcon and territory there |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VK_engine#VK56VD
Aluminium block, DOHC, 32 valve. Capacity will be reduced to make it 5.0L. |
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