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31 Jan 2017, 14:46 (Ref:3708102) | #52 | ||
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I don't know why everyone still complains about the GT.
EVERY OTHER GTE manufacture signed off for them to race the car, end of. |
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31 Jan 2017, 15:00 (Ref:3708104) | #53 | ||
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Because whiners have to whine. Everyone is salty about how this went down, so they have to act like something was sketchy about it. Everyone signed off on it, they got schooled, it won't happen again. Oh well.
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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
31 Jan 2017, 18:32 (Ref:3708164) | #54 | ||
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You wouldn't catch Corvette acting like that, and that's the difference. Now that's a team that people can be proud of. |
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31 Jan 2017, 22:22 (Ref:3708222) | #55 | |
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Ford is not responsible for that. CGR's team is. Everyone plays with the bop game. But I was surprised they won Le Mans. Not because speed was lacking but because it was their first year back and it went the distance.
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I don't know why anyone was surprised they won Le Mans. The BoP game means anyone new (or anyone with a new car) can play the game to the advantage (except when you mess it up, like BMW did). We already knew they were playing that game at Spa. And like other new teams, the car went through a ridiculous amount of testing, and had already competed at the Daytona 24 and Sebring 12 hour. I don't have a problem with any of that (apart from the BoP games), but I don't see why it was a surprise. Last edited by Akrapovic; 1 Feb 2017 at 08:01. |
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Oh. You were serious?? Yeah, I think you should probably research a few things about the whole Michelin lawsuit and Gigliotti. |
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1 Feb 2017, 12:40 (Ref:3708358) | #59 | ||
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Oh, and using the same argument as posted here - that was a Corvette corporate decision, not Pratt and Miller. |
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Now, given this, is GM going to build a mid-engined Corvette road car? WHY? They don't need to, not with these regulations : rotate: |
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2 Feb 2017, 05:37 (Ref:3708581) | #63 | |
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There's only so far they can push that engine back in the current Vette. It's not quite that free like Super GT with a mid-engined RV8 Toyota Prius!
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2 Feb 2017, 05:57 (Ref:3708584) | #64 | ||
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It's particularly great that he brags about outqualifying the C6.Rs on the "much slower" Dunlop tires at PLM when Dunlop cars qualified 4 out of the top 5 positions. |
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2 Feb 2017, 07:32 (Ref:3708596) | #65 | |
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No offence, but when you tell me to look something up, that I already know, don't come back and tell me I was wrong. GM refused manufacturer approval to the ACO which meant the car couldn't go to Le Mans. This was part of the legal issues.
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2 Feb 2017, 09:47 (Ref:3708633) | #66 | |
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Don't know if it'd be possible, I assume that complete rules freeze some features, like wheelbase, for instance...production 911, being a 2+2, have room in front of the rear axle, with Corvette it shouldn't be enough. Pity that, probably, Evora doesn't reach the production limit, such a car with a longitudinally mounted engine should have potential!
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2 Feb 2017, 10:05 (Ref:3708638) | #67 | ||
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So that is why Porsche could move it's engine as it's still behind the car's centerline. Corvette already moves the engine behind the front axle to get it more in the middle, that is the same regulation allowing that. |
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2 Feb 2017, 10:30 (Ref:3708645) | #68 | ||
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I was specifically talking about the tire only deal. No worries.
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2 Feb 2017, 12:15 (Ref:3708662) | #69 | |
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Yeah, the reason the tyre issues happened had nothing to do with Corvette and Pratt and Miller being afraid of competition - it was because GM didn't want them using the Corvette brand. At Le Mans it was a simple process - tell the ACO they didn't have approval and with the ACO sporting regulations, they couldn't run. With ALMS it was harder because manufacturer approval isn't required to run the car. So the way GM went about it was force them to withdraw.
You could argue it was a dick move, and I do agree. But it is also GMs brand, and they can do what they want with their brand. BTCC had it with Rob Austin and Audi. But in this case, Pratt and Miller/Corvette/GM weren't trying to stop competition like Ford/CGR did. But you're right it's a pretty dick move for a big corporation to been seen as picking on a private team. |
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2 Feb 2017, 16:28 (Ref:3708750) | #71 | |
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Just read on Motorsport.com that Pipo Derani has signed with Ford to contest three WEC races
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2 Feb 2017, 21:43 (Ref:3708846) | #72 | |
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The rules more or less specify that you can only independently homologate a car if there is no manufacturer homologation (thus Prodrive continuing to race 550s years after the factory introduced the 575), so the only way GM could have let the Riley Corvette be eligible outside of ALMS would have been to drop their own project entirely.
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Just saw this too; I assume the allure of working with a major manufacturer is what lured him away from P2, alongside probably a pay raise as well, haha. It'll be exciting to see how he does |
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3 Feb 2017, 13:14 (Ref:3709013) | #74 | ||
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I dislike this FIA homologation system.
If any builder make a car within the rules, it should be allowed to race. |
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Manufacturers will always be more alluring than privateers. I wish Super GT500 was allowed in WEC season cause 3 more manufactures would be present and first tier drivers would be willing to join the WEC because of them.
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