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Honda did a brillaint job early days of NGTC they were massively cut
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27 Aug 2017, 16:33 (Ref:3762030) | #53 | |
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I just want to say that the best thing about the sport that happened today is that the Scooby of Cole won.
I love the way it has been for the title leading Sutton, and the sport is a great more competitive than the previous season I was happy to see the Merc of Morgan and the MG of Cook up the front of the field and the only thing I can say is that the drivers have a right to be angry at Cook. I am glad that he was punished for the punt on the Ford. I am also happy to see that the Chevy of Smiley is more competitive than usual. I don't know why Collard thinks he can just move over on other people who are alongside him and he certainly seems to be looking out of the race for the title and the race is also getting a bit more harder for the Honda of Flash too. |
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27 Aug 2017, 16:36 (Ref:3762031) | #54 | |
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Colin says that essentially they can't compete with Subarus even when they have ballast
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27 Aug 2017, 16:38 (Ref:3762033) | #55 | ||
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What is Harvey talking about?!!! A BMW JUST WON THE RACE! Can't be that much wrong with it. WSR whyning - seems to part of their engineering tools....
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27 Aug 2017, 17:07 (Ref:3762040) | #57 | |
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To be fair to Subaru (as much as it pains me to say so) they are around the same speed as the BMWs in a straight line so the advantage they are getting is not down to them having a top speed advantage, only the Honda's seem to be worse off in straight-line speed.
Saying that however, the Subaru set fastest lap in race 2 with 66 kilos of ballast and the hard tyre, 1.2 seconds faster than the BMW and in race 3 even with full ballast it set fastest lap about a quarter of a second faster than anyone else which surely suggests that the speed is coming from how the car is handling in the corners so if anything is the Centre of gravity where the car is getting it's advantage? |
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27 Aug 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3762042) | #58 | ||
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27 Aug 2017, 17:25 (Ref:3762043) | #59 | |||
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In virtually the same breath that Harvey spoke about the boost on the Honda, he also said that at some circuits the Hondas are almost untouchable, and that possibly the reason that Sheddon had had a couple of bad weekends was that the circuits did not suit the current car, and consequently that he was possibly taking too many risks. This is a championship of 30 races held over 10 weekends on different circuits - Brands Indy and GP circuits are different - and the driver and/or car that wins the championship will be the one that has done the best job overall. It's not as if the same driver/car combo has won all 24 races that have been held so far, and nor has it been 24 podiums with only Subaru drivers on them. Apart from the bumper car aspects of the racing, this is one of the best seasons for many a year in my humble opinion. |
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Sometimes, some teams do a better job than others. Right now, Sutton/BMR seem to be doing the best job in the field when it comes to consistency and maximising opportunities. |
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27 Aug 2017, 18:15 (Ref:3762064) | #62 | |
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it's a different configuration of engine not your usual in line 4
here a quick crash course for anyone who haven't a clue what boxer engine is boxer engine , flay with a very low centre of gravity everyone else a inline 4 which has high centre of gravity Last edited by porsche962fan; 27 Aug 2017 at 18:22. |
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27 Aug 2017, 18:23 (Ref:3762069) | #63 | |||
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Why not troll an F1 forum about the Mercedes? Or a Nascar one about Joe Gibbs Toyota? Or a football thread about Manchester United? Having only managed to see the final round so far the cars seemed pretty equal at the front: Plato's Subaru, Collards BMW, Goffs Honda and Jordans BMW running line astern. If the boost favoured any of them we would have seen easy overtakes along the straight. I never saw any... |
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27 Aug 2017, 18:26 (Ref:3762072) | #64 | ||
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The question still remains - should all BTCC cars be made to run the same engine?
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In my opinion, no. The BTCC is about competition between drivers, between engineers, between chassis and between engines.
Those who want to watch a competition that is about drivers and engineers but with near identical motor cars have many choices already: plenty of which run on the BTCC package - Clios, Ginettas and Porsches. Last edited by Alfisti; 27 Aug 2017 at 18:39. |
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Whilst on the subject of engines, why 4 cylinders anyway?
BMW could run a 6 cylinder potentially - you can buy a 6 cylinder 1 series. I haven't looked at btcc rules by the way to see if this would be permitted. Honda expects the bulk of new Civic sales to be the 1 litre 3 cylinder petrol. Why not a 3 then? Less power maybe but a lot less weight too. I remember WSR dropping the 6 cylinder engine from the MG ZS for that very reason in favour of a 4. |
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Glad someone cleared up the difference between a boxer engine and inline-four on here...
I'm going to be totally honest now and say that I want Ash to win the Championship. He's been wonderful to watch this year, is a nice down to earth lad and would be a great addition to the list of champions. And with that I have no doubt cursed him. Apologies in advance. |
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Subaru will leave the BTCC sooner or later anyway, that's how things work out if even Mat Jackson who is not in the championship fight laments this aspects it can become dangerous to protect interests of ONE team versus the interest of the entire other field specially with TCR looming at the door |
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One race ban for Cook. Team have appealed
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I just hope that he doesn't keep up this poor driving he has certainly been using
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