Proposed Changes to Flag Regs

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

However, I have noticed that since the S/C rules were changed to require waved yellow at all times, more marshals choose to not bother waving it when there are no cars nearby, than do wave it. (Okay, that might be overstating it a little, but there I see S/C and stationary yellow a lot).

I've been known to downgrade mine to a light flap, but never stationary!

Noting the discussion of waving two flags one-handed, the last time I went to Donington you needed two hands for one flag. I have a permanently damaged thumb ligament to prove it.

[Mark Noble]

Originally Posted by Chigley

Who is going to be the first to stop the stewards and tell them he's solo flagging
and doesn't feel capable or happy about doing so?

In a few weeks time we will wonder what all the fuss was about. In some situations, I know not all, bodies carrying out other duties would, I'm sure, be able to wave a second flag for a short while. We are a team after all!

[thepits!]

Originally Posted by numbersix

Lies, damned lies and statistics...

but on the other hand....

[exflagman]

Originally Posted by JimW

But that assumes a "Normal" distribution. Possibly the most abused statistical concept - EVER!

Jim

Almost on the level of 'A generous lunch break has been timetabled for the meeting'

[thepits!]

Originally Posted by exflagman

Almost on the level of 'A generous lunch break has been timetabled for the meeting'

"Timetabled" being the operative word

[katrina.kershaw.7]

A lunch who?

[numbersix]

Do we get the prize for going the greatest distance off-topic?

The thread was about proposed changes which are no longer proposed but fact. We've gone into the 'science' of statistics and now that's evolved into lunch breaks.

Cool...

[Greem]

Strikes me we should have a rule akin to those derived from Godwin's Law...

If a thread spins off-topic, the first mention of lunch breaks means that the thread is dead - and whoever mentioned it lost the argument

[Guinness2702]

Originally Posted by Greem

Strikes me we should have a rule akin to those derived from Godwin's Law...

If a thread spins off-topic, the first mention of lunch breaks means that the thread is dead - and whoever mentioned it lost the argument

And hereafter, it shall be known as "Greem's law!"

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by numbersix

Do we get the prize for going the greatest distance off-topic?

You haven't visited the Australian section of the forum, I assume.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by numbersix

You can hold two flags in one hand. It's the waving that's the tricky bit.

In view of the fact that a stationary yellow no longer exists, I would have thought any driver seeing two "slow moving" yellows would get the gist of the message.

What you could do is have snap-to fit clamps screwed to the flap pole....which even the smallest of hands could manipulate....

That way, a single handed Flag Point would have some chance of waving double Yellows (say) whilst eating a bacon and egg sarnie with the other...

http://nesbetminiatures.blogspot.com...int-racks.html

[Slipstick]

Yes that's it, that's what we need a "flap pole" on every post. Get it motorised and able to select either one or two things to flap. No more aching arms .

Steve

[JimW]

Originally Posted by Slipstick

Yes that's it, that's what we need a "flap pole" on every post. Get it motorised and able to select either one or two things to flap. No more aching arms .

Steve

Yup - they could be called lights.



Jim

[Richard Duvall]

Originally Posted by MagnetON

I've also updated www.FlagMarshal.com accordingly.

I've just noticed that the Flag Marshal Website still quotes blue book as stationary yellow and green, on the Hazard Board page.

[275 GTB-4]

Why not go the whole hog and mete out penalties as well with Laser Beams! :-)

[SouthportFC Fan]

Could we have the option of using photon torpedoes for repeat offenders ?

[pauln]

Only if you've got a working version of them, Steve.

[thepits!]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I've been known to downgrade mine to a light flap, but never stationary!

+1 from the startline flag-point

Noting the discussion of waving two flags one-handed, the last time I went to Donington you needed two hands for one flag.

I agree, the Donington flags do appear to be a little on the large size, more suitable to an actual flag-pole

[Marshal Greybeard]

Originally Posted by exflagman

Just to throw a quick thought into the mix - in the given situation, with the new rules you may have to also consider whether or not the single waved yellow is really a just single waved or maybe a lone flag marshal trying to wave one flag and pick up a second or possible even one who recognises that they cannot wave two flags at once so is just going to wave one so it can be seen properly rather than attempt two and end up with neither being particularly visible.

I noticed at the Aussie GP a stationary Oil/Slippery Surface etc flag was shown on several occasions.

Does this mean that although drivers can't see a flag that tells them to slow down, but they have no problem spotting one that suggests it might be a damn good idea!

[Don`t mention the war!]

Got a few questions for the more experienced flaggies on here:

1. according to the updated MSA rules, stationary flags have been dropped because the drivers find them hard to see; does this include stationary blues and stationary whites?

2. when the cars are gridding up at the end of the parade lap, the last marshals post displays a waved yellow, and the previous post a stationary one; has this stationary yellow been dropped?

3. what`s the BEST way to wave double yellows? (apart from with your arms)

[drewchef]

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

Got a few questions for the more experienced flaggies on here:

1. according to the updated MSA rules, stationary flags have been dropped because the drivers find them hard to see; does this include stationary blues and stationary whites?

2. when the cars are gridding up at the end of the parade lap, the last marshals post displays a waved yellow, and the previous post a stationary one; has this stationary yellow been dropped?

3. what`s the BEST way to wave double yellows? (apart from with your arms)

I'm afraid that at Oulton today I saw a double waved yellow where both flags were being waved up and down simultaneously which just gave the impression of a single waved.

[Slipstick]

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

1. according to the updated MSA rules, stationary flags have been dropped because the drivers find them hard to see; does this include stationary blues and stationary whites?

No it applies only to mandatory/instruction flags (yellow/red/green) not to advisory flags.(blue/white/stripey)

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

2. when the cars are gridding up at the end of the parade lap, the last marshals post displays a waved yellow, and the previous post a stationary one; has this stationary yellow been dropped?

Not at Oulton today. Like all other yellows stationary becomes single waved, waved becomes double waved.

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

3. what`s the BEST way to wave double yellows? (apart from with your arms)

Can't help you there cus I haven't had chance to try it yet.

OTOH I'm not all that experienced so they're all just my best guesses
- Steve

[Richard Duvall]

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

3. what`s the BEST way to wave double yellows? (apart from with your arms)

I've not been out yet this year to test the new rules but I've previously waved two yellows, one in each hand. To achieve maximum visibility I kept one low and the other high and tried to keep their movements different.

[deley]

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

Got a few questions for the more experienced flaggies on here:

1. according to the updated MSA rules, stationary flags have been dropped because the drivers find them hard to see; does this include stationary blues and stationary whites?

2. when the cars are gridding up at the end of the parade lap, the last marshals post displays a waved yellow, and the previous post a stationary one; has this stationary yellow been dropped?

3. what`s the BEST way to wave double yellows? (apart from with your arms)

Sorry but Questions 1 and 2 shouldn't need an "experienced flaggie" to answer them .....

The regulation changes are pretty simple to understand .... how successfully they can be carried out on the day might be more of a challenge depending on a number of factors covered previously in this and other discussions

However, I am glad that the questions were asked as it has given an opportunity to address one of the main misunderstandings that many people still seem to have regarding the changes.

Dave

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Don`t mention the war!

3. what`s the BEST way to wave double yellows? (apart from with your arms)

Let someone else do it...