Jerez Testing - 08/02/04

[f1_carzy]

Ferrari still seem to be low-key. Sauber still seem to be struggling with their car

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=76402

[f1_carzy]

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=23459

This suggests otherwise. Sauber are at the top and bottom...Massa at the top and JV at the bottom.

[Super Tourer]

http://www.f1racing.net/en/testresults.php?testID=191

Pos. Driver Team Time Laps
1 F. Massa Sauber 01:17:501 66
2 J. Trulli Toyota 01:17:699 58
3 R. Zonta Toyota 01:18:177 52
4 JP. Montoya McLaren 01:18:248 37
5 P. de la Rosa McLaren 01:18:554 75
6 F. Alonso Renault 01:18:676 123
7 N. Heidfeld Williams 01:18:807 99
8 M. Webber Williams 01:18:987 81
9 R. Barrichello Ferrari 01:19:220 39
10 L. Badoer Ferrari 01:19:734 60
11 L. Badoer Ferrari 01:19:724 62
12 G. Fisichella Renault 01:19:842 86
13 C. Klien Red Bull 01:19:975 51
14 A. Davidson BAR 01:20:307 18
15 T. Sato BAR 01:20:539 26
16 N. Piquet jr. BAR 01:20:855 41
17 J. Villeneuve Sauber 01:21:062 59

[Kirk]

10 L. Badoer Ferrari 01:19:734 60
11 L. Badoer Ferrari 01:19:724 62

Oh my, Ferrari are testing with clones.

... but the FIA says they can't do anything about it. There's no rule covering that.

[Super Tourer]

I've 'evolved' this into a general thread on today's testing.

Key moments from the day.

JPM appears with a new wing on the engine cover.

Strong showing from Toyota.

Renault not as dominant as previous tests.

Sauber top and bottom of timesheets - apparently running different programs?

Sato suffers rear wing failure and crashes as a result - uninjured.

Heidfeld finishes ahead of Webber once again.

Badoer alternated between a F2004 and F2004M Ferrari

Piquet out with BAR.

[Kirk]

Thanks ST.... some good info there that often goes unreported.

[Super Tourer]

Originally Posted by Kirk

10 L. Badoer Ferrari 01:19:734 60
11 L. Badoer Ferrari 01:19:724 62

Oh my, Ferrari are testing with clones.

... but the FIA says they can't do anything about it. There's no rule covering that.

LOL - I think the 11th time is prob DC in the Red Bull car !

[Kicking-back]

Massa's not near the top of the timesheets on the atlas/autosport.com list:

1. Trulli Toyota (M) 1:17.694 64
2. Zonta Toyota (M) 1:18.178 51
3. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:18.240 38
4. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:18.548 77
5. Alonso Renault (M) 1:18.677 124
6. Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:18.796 97
7. Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:18.983 83
8. Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:19.142 65
9. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:19.214 38
10. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:19.734 60
11. Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:19.844 41
12. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:19.849 91
13. Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:19.973 49
14. Davidson BAR-Honda (M) 1:20.310 19
15. Sato BAR-Honda (M) 1:20.527 27
16. Piquet BAR-Honda (M) 1:20.852 42
17. Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:21.065 62

[Kirk]

I think Massa did a flying lap right at the end of the test. Atlas may have been trying to get the times out 1st. Here's a Sauber tibbit:

...explained Chief Race Engineer Jacky Eeckelaert. "By then we concentrated with both cars on further set-up work and Felipe also completed the roll-out of our second chassis.......

It sounds possibly like the "hiccup" may be corrected.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Super Tourer

LOL - I think the 11th time is prob DC in the Red Bull car !

Well he did think about testing for Ferrari.

[Rennen]

Sato's BAR had a rear wing faliure!... Curtailing BAR's activities...and 'Piquet's Boy' had a shunt in one of last years cars damaging the tub!

[raul_iulian]

Anybody.....???
Whay was JV so slow.... Does anyone know???

[Glen]

Originally Posted by raul_iulian

Anybody.....???
Whay was JV so slow.... Does anyone know???

Must resist. Must resist. Don't do it...

[f1_carzy]

Read somehwere, that JV was not worried at the times as he was not chasing a lap time, and was trying diff set-ups. Its been some time since JV has not been chasing any lap times. Hope he delivers when it matters most

[James North]

Yeah I remember when JV wasn't satisfied unless he shatterd a lap record on the first day of testing a new car.

[raul_iulian]

So Nobody Knows !

[Silk Cut Jaguar]

From what I read it sounds like Massa was testing a slightly upgraded chassis while JV was in the one with the 'fundamental flaw'.

[Rennen]

Some teams do low fuel runs to keep their sponsors happy...some teams never bother with that stuff...some teams do with one driver and not the other for a variety of reasons.

Remember also these times are never official...all teams set up ther own timing systems...so it depends which journalist asks whom for times...they do vary!

[Glen]

Originally Posted by Silk Cut Jaguar

From what I read it sounds like Massa was testing a slightly upgraded chassis while JV was the 'fundamental flaw'.

Thought so.

[Kicking-back]

Originally Posted by Silk Cut Jaguar

From what I read it sounds like Massa was testing a slightly upgraded chassis while JV was in the one with the 'fundamental flaw'.

No.

Massa was in the second chassis produced and did a low fuel lap at the end.

Villeneuve was in the first chassis produced (identical spec) and did set up work without going for a low fuel run.

[Glen]

No-one spotted the difference between the two quotes above then?

[Kicking-back]

Ah yes - you unethically doctored a quote in an attempt at humour, it seems

[Glen]

Ethics? I'll admit it wasn't that funny - certainly not as funny as thinking that there is an ethical code for leg-pulling.

[Kicking-back]

Ah, my dry humour not working in print there!

I was only being facetious...

[Glen]

Sorry to over-react there k-b - always gets me agitated when I fail to get a rise.