new point system

canadianfan · 1 Jun 2001, 06:18 (Ref:99612)

Since qualifying is so important, 1) why not attribute points to it; 2)Points could also be given for the fastest lap, and 3) my next idea is tentative, but points for most lap lead; this would add to some more strategy.

Race result and qualifying could use the same point system (10 for 1st, 6 for 2nd...) and 10 points could be given for fastest lap. For most lap lead, i would ask for some input.

Using only qualifying, race result and Fast lap, this would be the order:

MS 131
RS 56
RB 47
MH 41
JPM 16
JT 14
NH 9
HHF 9
JV 7
OP 5
EI 5
GF 1
JOS 1
JA 1
KR 1

I think this would allow smaller teams more chance to score points.

Tell me what you think

DNQ · 1 Jun 2001, 06:39 (Ref:99618)

I hate to sound like I'm critising your idea, but I feel it would give an even greater advantage to Ferrari and McLaren. When was the last time a car other than a McLaren or Ferrari set fastest lap? Also, teams could use a qualifying set up for races, put in three fast laps, and then retire, to pick up ten points. Not good.

Take a look at your example. Schumacher is 80 points out in front. Not a nice situation.

On a positive side, at least your tyring, the present system may need an overhaul.

drexel · 1 Jun 2001, 07:03 (Ref:99624)

I like the idea of points for fastest race lap, now that would be exciting. Qualifying points has been suggested by some ex-racers i believe, but don't know how many teams would agree to these changes.

The best idea i heard to make F1 more exciting is from Alan Jones. He suggested sprinkling water on the track midway through the race.

Wrex · 1 Jun 2001, 07:15 (Ref:99625)

Canadianfan, i'm in favour of a points change but not in the way you are talking. You want qualifing to have equal weight to race points. No way.

I'm against points for pole, fastest laps and especially laps led. I think it would just end the championship a few races early.

I like the idea of the points going back to tenth, but thats about it.

1st 20
2nd 15
3rd 11
4th 8
5th 6
6th 5
7th 4
8th 3
9th 2
10th 1

Current Championship

1st TGF 110 points
2nd DC 93
3rd Rubins 63
4th Heidfeld 30
5th Ralf 26
6th Jacques 26
7th Panis 25
8th Trulli 23
9th Frenzie 19
10th Kimmi 17
11th Alesi 16
12th JMP 15
13th Irvine 15
14th Mika 15
15th Verstappen 13
16th Fisi 5
17th Button 5
18th Burti 4
19th Bernoldi 3
20th Marques 2

BAR, Alesi & Verstappen show concistancy pays off

Constructors Championship

1st Ferrari 173
2nd McLaren 108
3rd BAR 51
4th Sauber 47
5th Jordan 42
6th Williams 41
7th Jaguar 19
8th Arrows 16
9th Prost 16
10th Benetton 10
11th Minardi 2

Look at the battle from 3rd to 6th and 7th to 10th (poor Minardi and Alonso ;( )

mac · 1 Jun 2001, 09:25 (Ref:99663)

I agree with Wrex here, points down to 10th is good. However, I believe most laps led and pole position could each get a point.

I don't agree with fastest lap. Picture this hypothetical at the final race at Suzuka. TGF needs one point to clinch the championship from DC. Schumacher is in 2nd behind DC and is continually slowing (to get clear track). At the 1st pitstop Ferrari hardly put any fuel in and whack on some new rubber. Schuey goes back out and sets a lap time 1.5 seconds faster than anybody else to get that point and claim the title. He then runs off the road several times before crashing into the barriers. DC drives an absolutely stunning race and finishes miles ahead of anyone else only to lose the championship.

And I rest my case, Your Honour....

slicktoast · 1 Jun 2001, 15:50 (Ref:99799)

I would think that people who don't like DC would love Canadianfan's idea.

Emfa · 1 Jun 2001, 16:02 (Ref:99806)

You just can't change it - it's tradition.

Does anyone know the history of the change from 9 pts to 10 for the win?

Ed G · 1 Jun 2001, 16:08 (Ref:99809)

Quote:

Originally posted by slicktoast
I would think that people who don't like DC would love Canadianfan's idea.

Yeah I noticed that too. Guess McLaren should have issued team orders

TSN keeps alternate standings using the CART scoring system.

http://www.tsn.ca/formulaone/drivers...er=f1alternate

I think it is a better system because the more consistent drivers (JA,OP) do better than the one race wonders (JPM, EI).

On the downside winning a race vs. coming second is effectively only worth 1/2 what it is with the current system. Also then it becomes hard to compare people like Prost with current drivers who get points every race

drexel · 1 Jun 2001, 18:32 (Ref:99894)

Imagine this. DC curently leading the race and equal 1st in the WDC with MS who is coming second in the race.

Fastest Lap wins!
Now that would be the duel of a lifetime.

**touringlegend** · 1 Jun 2001, 19:00 (Ref:99903)

I think 10 points would be too much for fastest laps, as Ferrari and McLaren would benefit most. I do agree that smaller teams should score points, probably by extending the points system.

Speedworx · 2 Jun 2001, 14:04 (Ref:100170)

Use CART points system,

1st - 20
2nd - 16
3rd - 14
4th - 12
5th - 10
6th - 8
7th - 6
8th - 5
9th - 4
10th - 3
11th - 2
12th - 1

Pole - 1
FL - 1

Any thoughts on this?

Gt_R · 3 Jun 2001, 08:54 (Ref:100364)

But remember, FIA do not provide transportation subsidies to teams who score nil points, and they do not get split money to those who fail to score any points. All these would only mean FIA have to recount their accounts...

But to incorporate everyone's idea with mine, i would suggest:
1st)15pts
2nd)10pts
3rd)7pts
4th)5pts
5th)4pts
6th)3pts
7th)2pts
8th)1pt

Fastest Qualifying) 2pt
Fastest Lap in Race/Practice 0pt

And instead of the current system that only teams who score at least one pt for the whole season qualify for FIA funds, perhaps only those who score at least 5 points get the money...thus making all teams work harder over a whole season to make their cars competitive.

This is to get rid of the current loophole, because currrently, Minardi (for example) could just run their year-old car for the first race Australia, and finish the race with reliability, and most probably finish in the points, thus they could just sit back for the rest of the year yet qualify for the money.

Any comments?

mac · 3 Jun 2001, 10:35 (Ref:100388)

I just cannot accept the idea of points for fastest laps. Yeah, a fastest lap shootout to decide the championship would be exciting, but how many fans turn up to see two qualifying sessions on the weekend.

Hakkiman - CART don't give a point for fastest lap. Their extra points go to pole and most laps led.

Speedworx · 3 Jun 2001, 16:06 (Ref:100586)

I meant most laps led.

Nicholas · 7 Jun 2001, 13:28 (Ref:102236)

I like the idea of points up to eighth place. All too often (until this year, with numerous mid-grid podiums) "best of the rest" means 5th or 6th place.

Elspeth · 8 Jun 2001, 19:06 (Ref:102653)

canadianfan,

You idea for changing the points system is similar to NASCAR's strange scoring system.

Personally I like it the way it is. Or change it back to 9 points for first.

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