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30 Jun 2000, 23:51 (Ref:20631) | #1 | |
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So why is Britain's national racing colour that particular green? What's the history behind it? Something to do with Brooklands and Bentleys?
Also, what about the Dutch or Belgian colours? What other national colours are there? |
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1 Jul 2000, 00:21 (Ref:20642) | #2 | ||
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Off the top of my head...
France = Blue Italy = Red Germany = White (later Silver) Belgium = Yellow Netherlands = Orange USA = Blue and White Japan = White and Red Thailand (Siam) = Pale blue and Yellow (Bira's ERA?) The colour British Racing Green, officially Deep Brunswick Green, actually goes back further than Bentley and Brooklands. We have to go back to 1902, and SF Edge's Napier entered in that year's Gordon Bennett Cup. This was Britain's first international involvement of any consequence, and green it was. I cannot remember if the system of national colours was already in place at this stage, but from the Napier onwards, British cars adopted the deep green. I've heard it said that a green car is traditionally unlucky, and that SF Edge liked cocking a snook at superstition - a bit like racing under the number 13. Deliciously, did you know that British Racing Green actually has a BS Standard Reference code? |
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1 Jul 2000, 05:10 (Ref:20697) | #3 | ||
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Tim is correct, the Gordon Bennett Cup was a competiton nation against nation, and part of the rules was the colour of the national cars. This rule as far I know then has been taken over by the ACF for their Grand Prix's, and consequently for the whole international racing scene.
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1 Jul 2000, 19:52 (Ref:20808) | #4 | |
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That's really interesting stuff - it's a pity sponsors colours have become pretty much dominant these days.
Do you have any history on how other national colours were established? |
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1 Jul 2000, 20:07 (Ref:20811) | #5 | ||
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Graham, A full list of the colours as allocated in the first race are as follows:- Country Colours of vehicle Colour Netherlands: orange, Argentina Body: Blue Bonnet: Yellow Chassis: Black Red on white Belgium Yellow Black Brazil Body & bonnet: pale yellow Chassis & wheels: Green Black Chile Bonnet: Blue Body: Red Underframe: White Half blue & half red or all red on white Czechoslovakia Bonnet: Blue & white Blue Body: White Underframe: Red Egypt Pale Violet Red on white Finland Black Blue on white France Blue Blue on white Germany White (sorry, not Red silver) Great Britain Green White Holland Orange White Hungary Bonnet: Red Black Body, front: White Rear : Green Ireland Green (horizontal White band of orange all round body & bonnet Italy Red White Luxembourg Pearl grey White on red Monaco White (red horizontal Black on white band around the body and bonnet Poland Body and bonnet: White Red Undeframe: White Portugal Body & bonnet: Red White South Africa Body: Golden Black on white Spain Bonnet: Yellow Black on yellow, Body: Chassis & springs, white on red red Sweden Body & bonnet, lower part White blue.Upper part: Yellow three cross bands of blue on the top of the bonnet) Switzerland Bonnet: White Black Body & underframe: Red Thailand Body & bonnet: Pale blue White on blue with yellow horizontal band round body & bonnet Wheels: pale yellow United States Body & bonnet: White Blue on white Underframe: Blue These were the colours allocated by the sponsering newspaper in something like 1902, so you see sponser-ship is nothing new, several have altered since. I thinhk that the US was either red before or after the agreement, hence the Panoz's at Le Mans in that colour. Source:- Autosport 1955 Simon |
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1 Jul 2000, 22:30 (Ref:20832) | #6 | |
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Cheers, I think I'll save that off for future ref...
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1 Jul 2000, 22:35 (Ref:20833) | #7 | |
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The racing colour of the Netherlands comes from our national flag. It's red, white and blue.
But the flag was originally orange, white and blue and has been used since 1572 by Dutch pirates who served under Willem van Oranje (William of Orange). The colours represent the livery of Willem van Oranje and can be found in the coats of arms of the royal houses of Oranje and Nassau. The flags were used at sea, but probably because the colour orange wasn't very fast-dyed, it changed to red. However, the colour orange is still used as a national colour. |
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1 Jul 2000, 23:28 (Ref:20837) | #8 | ||
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The Gordon Bennett races had been initiated and sponsored by Mr. Gordon Bennett, owner of the International Herald Tribune newspaper.
Gerard, I believe during the last couple of days everybody realized what the Dutch national colour is ... |
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3 Jul 2000, 13:56 (Ref:21126) | #9 | ||
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TimD, you are right about the color green and superstition. In US racing in particular, there was a time when no driver would allow green on his car. In an old story, I recall reading that Mario Andretti, when handed a green pen for an autograph on race day, would refuse to touch the pen.
I think everyone got over that when big sponsorships took control. Superstition dies quickly when its "no green on car, no green in pocket!" |
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