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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:08 (Ref:868831)   #1
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Formula 2 Pictures

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I'm always pleased to see instructive posts on cars i like. And i am always looking in the posts for pictures (like many others might do). So i feel always frustrated to see such informative posts as the ones on March and Chevron with no pictures. So, to repair that and show the youngers what was the real F2 (a real non-single chassis non-single engine formula with real menn at the wheel), here are some pics, coming frome French Sport-Auto(s) of the days:

The 1980 European Champion Brian Henton and his Toleman-Hart TG280 :
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:11 (Ref:868832)   #2
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Andrea de Cesaris 1980 March 802 Project four, winner at Misano:
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:20 (Ref:868846)   #3
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At Misano, Siegfried Stohr started on pole with his private Toleman, but had brakes trouble and did not finish, but he won at Enna :
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:26 (Ref:868857)   #4
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That year, Richard Dallest won Pau and Zandvoort :
here is its dutch victory on a rainy day : (Ags-Bmw JH17=
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:31 (Ref:868864)   #5
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In 1979, Eddie Cheever won 3 races but failed to win the championship with his Osella on Pirelli tyres (seen at Pau where he won)
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:34 (Ref:868869)   #6
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1979 : Miguel Angel Guerra on the ugliest March ever built (?) : the 792 !!
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:36 (Ref:868872)   #7
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Ugly, the 792 ?

Teo Fabi leads Bobby Rahal on a Chevron-Hart B48 (aka Baby Arrows)
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Old 9 Feb 2004, 22:43 (Ref:868880)   #8
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Last for today : Giacomelli's 782
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Old 10 Feb 2004, 03:47 (Ref:869040)   #9
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Have you got more pictures of the march 792?? when i saw the picture I thought 'thats nice' then you said it was ugly. The B48 is much uglier.
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Old 10 Feb 2004, 21:53 (Ref:869944)   #10
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Well, in a fair amount of threads, i read the 792 was ugly, and also not that much competitive. What i discovered is that , had Derek Daly not missed 3 races that year to compete in F1 with Ensign, hes surely would have been champion. i have no other 792 to show now, but this is the chevron-Ferrari of Elio de Angelis in 1978. To be continued...
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Old 11 Feb 2004, 08:54 (Ref:870334)   #11
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I always preferred Chevrons to Marches anyway
Great to see these cars and their pilots again though...brings a tear to the eye
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Old 11 Feb 2004, 08:58 (Ref:870339)   #12
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What about 83 or 84. AGS/Maurer/Martini/March/Ralt etc.
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Old 12 Feb 2004, 18:19 (Ref:872217)   #13
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To not restart the old March-Chevron war, this is Hoshino's Nova, seen in 78 at Donington and Rouen:
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Old 12 Feb 2004, 18:49 (Ref:872245)   #14
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And the Ralt Rt1 of Axel Plankenhorn at the Nurb in 1978:
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Old 12 Feb 2004, 18:52 (Ref:872248)   #15
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And the AGS of Alain Couderc in 1979:
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Old 12 Feb 2004, 18:55 (Ref:872252)   #16
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As for 83-84, i must dig in the shed, but i may do it, by now, another chevron: Derek Daly in 1978, B40 (?)-Hart
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Old 12 Feb 2004, 18:59 (Ref:872255)   #17
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Nurburgring 78 : the start
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Old 13 Feb 2004, 11:08 (Ref:872991)   #18
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been requesting images of F2 for years and had almost given up ever finding any. And it's from my favourite era ('77-'82) - mostly because it was when I first got into motorsport. More please. Absolutely fantastic. Bringing back all those memories.....aaah.
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Old 13 Feb 2004, 18:02 (Ref:873414)   #19
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angst, hear hear, F2 was superb in that era. The Cheever Osella is a lovely looker and quick too, it won at the early 79 Silverstone Int Trophy in the wet, a real shock given previous F2 Osellas, and the domination of March thru' 78. Great race that, Daly, Henton both led until late on, many spun off in the wet. That year had some great drivers in F2, many graduted to F1 in the next few years. More than anything though there was great chassis variety.

The Daly car pictured is a B42-Hart in 78, I guess the same meeting as the start at the Ring in 78, and all those gorgeous 782s, Ribeiro leading from the Project 4 and works cars, the Chevrons well back at that stage of the year. Is that the Boxer I spy near the back on the right of the photo, Danny Sullivan maybe ?
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Old 14 Feb 2004, 12:44 (Ref:874099)   #20
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A few pics I have, if I can figure out how to post pics....

Guerra, Warwick, Mansell, Stohr, Dallest, Gabbiani,Winkelhock(?) in Minardi, Toleman, Ralt, AGS, Maurer and March chassis...

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Old 14 Feb 2004, 12:47 (Ref:874101)   #21
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Sorry. Need to do some homework on this. Grrrr..
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Old 14 Feb 2004, 14:51 (Ref:874153)   #22
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The Easter monday F2 meeting was a favorite of mine for many years.
The Maurers & Ralts where my favorites, great looking and sounding, close racing by people who knew that it mattered to to do well as F2 was the stepping stone to F1 for both drivers and often teams.

Where did it all go wrong?

I do have some pictures from then and I need to find and post asap.
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Old 16 Feb 2004, 21:08 (Ref:876181)   #23
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I get back to this topic some days after. I'd be glad to see your own pics. These ones are just scanned while it's still possible. I never saw those car racing, but always liked to see them sometimes on magazines. Finding them in model cars is really tough too and I only have one Elf2 in poor condition. In France there was a little sum-up after every race when the f2 was full of our drivers. I know some of them are not very popular arounfd here so I might post pictures of every nationality. Nordic asked when did it all go wrong ? IMHO it when wrong when F2 wasn't seen as the basical step to F1 and when there were more 2nd hand DFV to sell than M12 BMW or V6 Hondas. And it went further wrong when 'they' decided to make F3000 a one-chassis one engine formula. And when everybody could rename any Jag in a Mazda then a Porsche and the same to the engines...
Now back to roots:
Maurizio Flammini on his winning March 762 in Rouen (1976):
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Old 16 Feb 2004, 21:13 (Ref:876185)   #24
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I must add that Cheever won every rainy race in 1979 due to his Pirelli tyres and that his car was in fact the 1975 chassis with some 'wing-car' additions Ã* la Osella.
Real wing-car this time: Brin Henton's Ralt RT2 (1979):
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Back in time, the 2 Matras of Beltoise and Pescarolo (some say Pepsi-Cola..)(1968)
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