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Old 3 Mar 2006, 17:58   #1
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March 802

I thought I'd start this thread to see what we can gather about March 802s.

The Lawrence March book 25 were built and, according to the F1 Register book, chassis 4, 5, 6, 7, 12-18, 20 and 22 appeared in Europe:

At Thruxton in April, again according to the F1R, allocations were:

802-4 works/spare
802-5 works/Fabi
802-6 works/Thackwell
802-7 works/Winkelhock
802-13 Project 4/spare
802-14 Lisa Racing/Devaney
802-15 Fredy Schnarwiler
802-16 Project 4/de Cesaris
802-17 Project 4/Serra
802-18 Project 4/spare
802-22 Kim Mather

Later sightings are 802-12 (Jurg Leinhard) and 802-20 (Mike Earle/Cecotto).

Plenty reappear in 1981, again using the F1R book: 802-8, 12, 15, 17, 19, 20 and 22.

Bryan has found an ex-Can-Am March 802 in New Zealand which had been Jerry Molnar's "Invader" in 1983 and 1984. This is wearing a Chico Serra cockpit surround so will presumably turn out to be 802-13, 802-17 or 802-18 but what other 802s do we know about? There were several in hill climbs weren't there?

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Old 4 Mar 2006, 09:13   #2
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I tried googling.

I found one 802 on race-cars.com. It is 802-17, having been driven be de Cesaris in 1980 and then updated to 812 spec and raced by Paul Smith in the "British F2 Championship". It's now in Germany.

And 802-6 was auctioned by Brooks in June 1999.

Another is raced by Roland Perrin in historics.

Another is for sale at Jester Racing (ex "Freddie Worminger")

A couple went to South Africa for 1981 and Walter Lechner had one in Interserie in 1982. And Andy Barton had one at some point.

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Allen,

Here is what the March records have on 802s :-

-1 Ron Dennis (later sold to Speedstar in Japan)
-2 Ron Dennis
-3 March Racing (works) Test Car (later sold to Le Mans Co., Japan)
-4 March Racing (works) Test Car (later lent to Le Mans Co., Japan)
-5 ICI Team (T. Fabi) (later sold to Le Mans Co., Japan)
-6 ICI Team (Thackwell) (later sold to Mr Jeff, DAW Supplies, South Africa)
-7 March racing (works) (Winkelhock) (later sold to Krottenberger, South Africa)
-8 Hotz (Studer)
-9 Le Mans Co., Japan
-10 Le Mans Co., Japan
-11 Hotz (Heini Mader)
-12 Hotz (Freddy Lienhard)
-13 Project Four Racing
-14 Hotz (Hotz)
-15 Hotz (Schnarwiler)
-16 Ron Dennis
-17 Ron Dennis (later bought back by March, updated to 812 spec & sold to Raven Accessories for Paul Smith)
-18 Ron Dennis
-19 Hotz
-20 Mike Earle Racing
-21 Le Mans Co., Japan
-22 Jack Kallay (Kim Mather)
-23 Le Mans Co., Japan
-24 Godfrey Crompton
-25 (no customer noted, but my notes say this was sold to Roy Lane)

Some more detail, including delivery dates, colours, if you need it.
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There is another on race-car.com, well a tub and some other bits with 802M01 stamped on it.

Franz Konrad was still using at least one 802 in 1982 in the Euro F2 series. His team had two maybe three cars.

Roy Lane used an 802/812 in the 81 Hill climb series as well.

Werner Wenk and later Kurt Buess also used one in the Interserie between 83 & 86 given as chassis no 8 on the RSC site.
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Adam, Rupert

Thanks guys. Adam, do the March record refer to a tub number 802M01? Was it the tub in 802-1?

It's interesting to see that only 15 802s remained in Europe in 1981: 802-2, 802-8, 802-11 to 802-20, 802-22, 802-24 and 802-25. If we can trace the UK cars (Smith, Mather, Crompton and Lane) as far as 1983 and spot some of the ex-Hotz cars still busy in F2 or Interserie, the options for the two Can-Am cars can be reduced significantly.

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I had a look through the F1R 1981 records:

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-4 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006
802-18 Ron Dennis 1980
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981

Also in 1981, Bernd Brutschin had a second family 802, as did Franz Konrad. In 1982, just the pair of Franz Konrad cars appears regularly plus cars for Peter Sturtz and Hubert Striebig at the Nurburgring. Together with the Lechner car in Interserie and the other car that appeared later in Interserie, I think I can be fairly confident that the five ex-Hotz cars were kept busy into 1982.

So the contenders for Can-Am in 1982 are down to 802-2, 802-13, 802-16, 802-18, 802-20, 802-22 and maybe 802-24 and 802-25. Anyone know what happened to Roy Baker's car? Was that Barton's car?

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Allen,

Tub 802M01 is shown as the tub for 802-3, the works test car sold to Le Mans.
BTW 802-4 was only lent to Le Mans in Japan. According to the records it was to race once, then be returned to March in the U.K. No note as to whether this actually happened.
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Further bits from my notes :-

-8 was raced by Hotz in 1981
-15 to Brutschin 1981, Hopfer/Konrad 1982
-19 to Konrad 1982
-25 to Roger Philpott 1981 & 1982
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Only two 802s ever made it into the British Sprint Championship:

802-24 with Godfrey Crompton in 1981 was the first. The second was .....

Roy Woodhouse in 1992. The car was fitted with a 3.9 tubocharged Rover V8. I have no details on chassis number unfortunately.

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Thanks Steve

Any idea what became of the Crompton car after 1981? I'd be confident that it stayed in the UK spritn/hill climb world but it would be good to know for sure.

I think 802-22 can also be eliminated as I found a a quote from Dan Rear saying Barton built that 802 into a Special GT.

So the likely Can-Am contenders in 1982 are down to 802-2, 802-4, 802-13, 802-16, 802-18, 802-20 and maybe 802-24. That's two works spares, four Project 4 cars and a highly unlikely hillclimb car.

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Thanks Steve

Any idea what became of the Crompton car after 1981? I'd be confident that it stayed in the UK spritn/hill climb world but it would be good to know for sure.
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Don't know is the short and truthful answer. Judging by GC's contacts it may have headed into Europe. I can't recollect any other 802s off hand so I suppose it will a job for tomorrow to dig through the papaerwork!

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Just found something interesting. Hotz, Horag, Lista and Leinhard are all closely linked. Hotz and Leinhard formed the Horag-Lista team in the early 1970s so 802-8, 802-11, 802-12, 802-14, 802-15 and 802-19 are more closely connected than I realised. Two of these seem to split off into the Konrad team and another one or two vanish early (crashes?) but the Horag-March that ran in Interserie was all part of the same effort. "Horag" is simply Hotz Racing AG.

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Allen,

I phoned the seller in N.Z. to obtain clarification on ch. plate , which is 802-13.

Owner is Warwick Mortimer , car apparently stored in a container for a very long time hence the rust and corrosion.

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Thanks Bryan

I found little in the ads except one on 26 Feb 1981 from Project 4 advertising just two 802s. This was before Paul Smith's deal on 802-17 so I don't understand why they'd have had only two for sale.

Did find lots of depressingly complex stuff on Barton's Marches but I'll cover that elsewhere.

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A question for Ian Hebblewhite I guess,
which of chassis 6 and 7 is the Dave Hart car in 1981 and which the van Rooyen?

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