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6 Oct 2004, 12:18 (Ref:1116831) | #1 | ||
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English Tour Auto
Many of my mates are now on there way to Spain for the Tour Espania. Would it be an idea to run a similar event in U.K.Five days,Five circuits,ten stages,sounds like a good idea.Nothing has been attempted since the Avon Tour. Cars up to 1970 with papers or taking part in a championship like Top Hat.Seasons events in a week.Any views with competion and regularity as Tour Auto.
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6 Oct 2004, 12:41 (Ref:1116860) | #2 | ||
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This was planned about five years ago as a revival of an event that once had a Citroen SM in it - there were various problems and the project fell apart
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Roger albert Clark? Le Jog?
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7 Oct 2004, 06:14 (Ref:1117691) | #4 | ||
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my idea would be to replicate the european events like Tour Espania and Tour de France.60 competition cars and 60 regularity.Daytime running and mixing circuit racing with smooth tarmac stages.Ample road time so there should be no problems as happened in both France,Italy and Spain in the last year The entry to cover cars as diverse GT40's.pre war Bentleys,Escourts,Mini's etc.A much different concept to Le Jog and any other event held in U.K.
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7 Oct 2004, 08:19 (Ref:1117768) | #5 | ||
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I think what Jos alluded to was the Avon Tour of Britain (1973-1976). Races at Silverstone, Mallory and Oulton, rally stages and time trials for production saloon cars.
With a little tweaking to make it suitable for cherished older cars, that could be a super basis for an event. |
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MSA historic run or whatever its called?
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7 Oct 2004, 08:48 (Ref:1117787) | #7 | ||
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Tim exactly. I was involved with two of the Avon Tours and they were superb.My idea is an historic event where the racing people can meet the historic rally entrants on a level playing field.
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7 Oct 2004, 09:15 (Ref:1117812) | #8 | ||
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I've found some of the paperwork from the last try - announced in 1999 it was planned for 2000 as an Avon Tour revival - John Davenport (rallly chap etc) and the then Chairman of the BRSCC were involved amongst others - yes it would be a good idea to try again - with Gatsos rather than Halda tripmeters to ensure the average speed was maintained !
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As Tour Auto next year .Only original equipment fitted to car acceptable.No Haldas or any of the digital readout gadgets.
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7 Oct 2004, 09:45 (Ref:1117827) | #10 | ||
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Problem with this as with all these thigs is money .You would probably need 140 cars at 4000GBP each to put on plus a sponsor.This is why you need to come up with an idea to attract entries from all areas where proper cars compete.
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7 Oct 2004, 11:29 (Ref:1117901) | #11 | |
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The 1999 plan seemed to be turning into a Goodwood Revival type of event before it collapsed, with Ferrari GTOs etc welcome and more ordinary cars not. The cut off date had changed from a slightly later one to 1978 - coincidently the year that would have excluded "flat front" Group One Escort RS2000s, some of who's owners were expressing interest....
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8 Oct 2004, 04:01 (Ref:1118553) | #12 | ||
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GTO's, Escourts,all cars with a wide range Imps to pre war Alfas.I am sure the world does not need another Goodwood and it is probable Goodwood does not need another! The only stipulation is the cars at correct with no big engines etc These are only my ideas has anyone got an opinion where all sides of the Historic Motoring Hobby could compete against each other?
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This sound like one for your Alfa GTaM! The most important thing is to have a tour which takes in some good hotels as with the european events, getting the eurotrash to stay at a "Happy Eater" equivalenmt hotel might not work!
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Good idea John, but please 4 days and not 5, the Tour Auto is getting to be too long!
I'll come and participate! |
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Simon -not my GTA but it would be the ideal car.Should anyone be brave enough to put it on we would use one of those green Talbots.So four days in the week before or after Goodwood.
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9 Oct 2004, 15:05 (Ref:1119768) | #16 | |
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No ss_c not the R A Clark, not Le Jog, not the MSA Historic Tour. The Tour of Britain (73-76 as stated above + 88 revival, or was it 89, when it went to your local former circuit, and the proposed further revival about 99).
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Would "Tour Britannia" be a good name?
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That one - only had about 20 entrie didn't it?
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There was one in around 1988 - the Autoglass Tour. Had a relatively small entry as I recall, and raced at virtually all the UK circuits in the space of a week - plus some rallying, rallycross and hillclimbs as I recall. I have the programme somewhere.
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The last one is now largely remembered as the event J.McRae was excluded from first place for suspension bushes that did not comply with Group N. The earlier Tours of Britain were largely successful with entries on the back of a fairly healthy Group One racing scene? - despite being firmly biased towards rallying by 1976. Plethora of racing regs now means it would be near impossible to put entries together for a "modern" event? The 99 proposal was originally based on Group One (and Gp3??) up to the expiry in 1981 of that version of Appendix J but then seemed to be moving towards a more general historic bias. Its difficult to see how more extreme categories of vehicle would be compatible with long road sections today. The Roger Albert Clark Rally has not exactly overflowed with period entries, perhaps because it cannot really recapture the true flavour of the old events with modern road conditions and law interpretation on driving through the night etc.
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Don't confuse "Tour Britannia" with the Tour of Britain....
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My original thread was based on the thought that a event similar to Tour Auto could be held in the UK plus some pre war stuff to take part in the regularity section.Anything up to 1971 with papers or in a proper championship so no specials.120-140 cars for four grids will take some finding.It would allow all types of Historic Motorsport people to enter the same event.I am now thinking that it will be difficult as from the replies people are comparing the concept with previous ideas which had little chance of success as they were based on a very narrow entry criteria.Should anyone be brave enough to put it on I know of at least ten entrants but daylight only and proper food and hotels Italy and France have two of these events,Spain one,surly the U.K.can do something!
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What about Stratford-upon-Avon as the base with a cloverleaf format. Four days going to Mallory, Donington and Oulton with the finish at Silverstone. Two stages a day, one at a "stately home" or country park and the other at a speed venue.
Top class hotels and food are a must. And the event should be run by competitors for competitors. |
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16 Oct 2004, 12:04 (Ref:1125916) | #24 | ||
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One circuit,two stages per day inc.hillclimb (Loton) is the basis of the idea. Would a format like this be of interest to the Top Hat saloons and GT's as they are the people who should be catered for .The Ferraris,GT40's and fancy Jags,Astons,etc will only give you about 60% of the needed entry.While I am asking who would put it on and where do you find a sponsor-easy question?
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It would be good if '20s and '30s sports cars of the type that did the pre-war TTs at Ards and Donington would come along. And the main prize should be done on an Index of Performance basis to give everyone an equal chance... I'm sure your Talbot could be a prime contender, John!
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