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JAG · 15 Oct 2004, 17:05 (Ref:1125414)

DAMS are rumoured to be unhappy with the Lamborghini, while Barber has already dropped them. You'll still be able to buy one, but who will?

Regarding factories, who actually is there.

Maserati, Aston Martin and GM. They arn't even competing in the same series. The rest are privateers.

pounetbf · 15 Oct 2004, 19:22 (Ref:1125503)

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Originally posted by 19dodge
The Maserati is now officaly approved for 2005. The GT1 regulations will be merged with the ACO's for next year (Does that mean that the Mazzas automatically get into ACO races?)

As far as I understood, only the name are standardised in 2005, the common rules will be in 2006 ( several months of discussions will be necessary to get the final commun rules)
And it seems that Maserati has said (but i don't remember where I have seen it) it will produce a car within the ACO Limits (the LC12 is too large and long)

So I think the LC 12 will run "as it " in 2005 (and not in Le Mans) and a new "updated" LC12 wil run in 2006, in accordance with the new common rules, and will be in Le Mans

simon c · 16 Oct 2004, 15:11 (Ref:1126006)

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Originally posted by paul-collins
...which tells you they couldn't keep it going the full time. Although this is semantics, really - once a race has been consistently going for, oh, 20 years or so, I think you'd be hard pressed to compare its heritage in a negative way to any other race. (Speaking of which, how many years in a row is it now that Spa has run the 24h?)

The reason Sebring was down this year was the same reason Le Mans was down, in terms of depth. I think if you look at the last 5 years, it's clear that those who are sportscar racing consider it to be the race to prepare for Le Mans, which is the pinnacle (unless you want to debate that, too?).

Tell you what, we'll have a look at the entry for Sebring this year (2005), with the harmonized GT1 lists, and see just where it stands.

I still think you're off base, though. There's no way a GT race outclasses the full Sportscar field, IM(NS)HO. As far as I'm concerned, the Spa 1000k is more important than the 24h.

Paul - I've been to Sebring and Spa and Le Mans. As an overall spectacle Spa currently takes it - circuit, cars, noise, depth of grid, quality of racing, chill-out etc, etc

Whilst LM is the pinnacle of Sportscar / Enduro racing, right now, for sheer spectator enjoyment (forget the microscopic analayses in this thread for a moment) Spa takes it. As a humble enthusiast / spectator, with no direct involvment in sport, save for having my name on PK Sport GT3 at LM
last year, I like to be entertained and enjoy a spectacle -this is why at present Spa takes it. I've always enjoyed Sebring and Le Mans, but right now the Ardennes classic takes it.

JAG · 16 Oct 2004, 15:53 (Ref:1126030)

SPA 24Hr and racing. Are you sure!

Jeffrey-Lee · 16 Oct 2004, 16:43 (Ref:1126056)

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Originally posted by JAG
DAMS are rumoured to be unhappy with the Lamborghini

Source?

SALEEN S7R · 16 Oct 2004, 16:51 (Ref:1126063)

There is a story running in this weeks AUTOSPORT magazine saying that Dams may quit the lambo for 2005 - unless Lambourgini take on a serious development programme over the winter, as it stands at the moment DAMS are happy to do some development work with the car but they havent got the recources and money to develop the car by themselves.

tblincoe · 16 Oct 2004, 17:25 (Ref:1126082)

i definitely agree that things look to be headed the way of the LMP right now... people want to run LMPs and the LMP2 is a good option for privateers to run and most will choose a LMP2 over a GTS car if given the opportunity (esp. because the price to run an LMP2 is actually less than in GTS these days)

simon c · 16 Oct 2004, 18:05 (Ref:1126092)

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Originally posted by JAG
SPA 24Hr and racing. Are you sure!

Wouldn't say so if I wasn't.

latics, a team - r u sure???

JAG · 16 Oct 2004, 18:07 (Ref:1126093)

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Originally posted by simon c
Wouldn't say so if I wasn't.

latics, a team - r u sure???

Seems more like survival of the fittest rather than a true race.

Regarding Latics, last time I looked we were top of the Championship!

SALEEN S7R · 16 Oct 2004, 18:17 (Ref:1126098)

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Originally posted by JAG
Seems more like survival of the fittest rather than a true race.

Yes JAG its called Endurance racing. Welcome!

So are u saying that the #2 BMS Scuderia Italia car isnt a worthy winner?

JAG · 16 Oct 2004, 18:27 (Ref:1126102)

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Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Yes JAG its called Endurance racing. Welcome! So are u saying that the #2 BMS Scuderia Italia car isnt a worthy winner?

If you win, you are obviouslly a worthy winner, but there are very few teams who push-on for the full 24 Hours, hence why Freisinger also finish so high up in the finishing order.

Few FIA GT teams actually prepare to complete the full 24 Hours. They just aim for the various points on offer at various stages of the race.

SALEEN S7R · 16 Oct 2004, 18:32 (Ref:1126103)

According to the offical results there were 22 finishers of this years Spa 24hrs, and 26 finishers in this years Le mans 24hrs, not much of a differnce I think u will agree. All the teams and drivers in the Spa 24hrs do aim to finish the race - just like those who compete in the Le Mans 24hrs.

Stop talking Rubbish JAG, we all know ur postition on the LMES/LM and what u think of anything regarding FIA GT in comparissan.

JAG · 16 Oct 2004, 18:43 (Ref:1126111)

Saleen theres no competition in the Spa 24 hrs (over the full 24hrs). Hence why Freisinger and the works BMW team can compete for overall wins

Lets face it, if points were not available after, what is it, 4 or 6 hours, most teams would not even compete.

tblincoe · 16 Oct 2004, 19:01 (Ref:1126122)

the competition in the 24 hrs of lemans is much more intense over 24 hours than in the spa 24 hrs, anyone who questions that is crazy...

Bramzel · 16 Oct 2004, 22:20 (Ref:1126237)

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Originally posted by JAG
Few FIA GT teams actually prepare to complete the full 24 Hours. They just aim for the various points on offer at various stages of the race.

That's nonsense. For most of the teams the 24H race is the highlight of the season, and completing the full 24H is like winning a race already.

JAG · 16 Oct 2004, 22:25 (Ref:1126240)

The reason the FIA offer points after 4 or 6 hours is becasue many of the teams/cars are set up for the 3 hour FIA events.

How many teams do 24h tests for Spa, like they do for LM?

marcush. · 17 Oct 2004, 04:23 (Ref:1126437)

and teams like konrad did not even dream to go the diastance...right.

Bramzel · 17 Oct 2004, 11:30 (Ref:1126584)

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Originally posted by JAG
The reason the FIA offer points after 4 or 6 hours is becasue many of the teams/cars are set up for the 3 hour FIA events.

How many teams do 24h tests for Spa, like they do for LM?

Plenty. Spa has it's testday as well, and its always visited by several teams. And the reason why the FIA offers points throughout the race is to have several points in the race where teams can race for.

Audi R8R · 18 Oct 2004, 18:22 (Ref:1127541)

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Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Prodrive arent just some small little operation. They are huge, they also run the Subarus in the WRC at the moment. They are the biggest privateer team out there if u want to look at it that way, there is nobody bigger. Not even Schnitzer. So really and truly whilst they are not "factory" offically they are factory level. Good enough to beat GM at LM in 2003 - sure they lost in 2004 at LM but the car handt really been developed since 2003 as they now have another project as we know.

No matter how you try and say it, it still doesn't alter the fact that you were wrong in the first place Saleen.

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