James Rossiter's Bahrain race...

karimbo · 10 Dec 2004, 16:51 (Ref:1176334)

Did I read well ?? James finished the race 4th after starting wayyyy back ? If true he's the man of the day !!!

Rees · 10 Dec 2004, 17:12 (Ref:1176357)

Yes, he really finished 4th

But I wonder what happened in that race, cause it's not easy to win starting from 11th too...

**gomick** · 10 Dec 2004, 22:21 (Ref:1176601)

so who qualified 11th

flexible-flyer · 10 Dec 2004, 22:52 (Ref:1176626)

lewis hamilton

Tom Horley · 11 Dec 2004, 15:20 (Ref:1177051)

Lewis got a really good start and went from 11th to 4th.

hmmmm · 12 Dec 2004, 10:21 (Ref:1177494)

James was lucky green would have walked had it not been for the safety car messing up.

SALEEN S7R · 12 Dec 2004, 22:45 (Ref:1177882)

There is no "luck" in finishing 4th IMO, sure without the safety car he may have finished a distant 4th, but it would still have been 4th place with a load of talented drivers behind him. Lets not take anything away from him, 4th was a great result.

Kicking-back · 12 Dec 2004, 22:49 (Ref:1177884)

Absolutely.

To say it was lucky is churlish - the situation was the same for everyone - and James did a very good performance.

hmmmm · 13 Dec 2004, 18:21 (Ref:1178503)

Well from where i was stood his times were never that quick so i think he was lucky sorry just my oppinion and when we was talking about it in the pit lane a fair few other people said the same.

**bella** · 13 Dec 2004, 19:01 (Ref:1178543)

yeah, i think he was lucky too. right place right time, whereas macau seemed to be the wrong place at the wrong time.

what goes around comes around, <insert further cliches here>

topgirl · 13 Dec 2004, 22:36 (Ref:1178754)

I know Ive said it before but I will say it again because I truly believe that Rossiter is not the fantastic driver that people seem to think he is. He was lucky to finish where he did. Maybe Ill be proved wrong about him but I hope not, his whole attitude is wrong in my opinion-theres a difference between coming across well that you believe you are good and coming across as an arrogant big-head. Unfortunately Ive only ever seen the latter in James and not the talent to go with it. If he can prove me wrong in the future I will take back what Ive said, but I do not see him changing.

**bella** · 13 Dec 2004, 23:06 (Ref:1178776)

your record appears to be stuck, try and change it once in a while

if you'd have seen the 2002 formula renault season you'd have seen rossiter to have the talent i think you're looking for. oh, or the donington f3 races this year (the late night ones!) for starters. get beyond the hang up you have with the image people project of themselves and look at the talent rather than what they want you to think.

JJ Jet Plane · 14 Dec 2004, 08:07 (Ref:1178941)

Let's have a look at this rationally. Rossiter didn't do quick times – but then again he spent virtually every single lap in the races either stuck behind someone or trying to overtake them – hardly ideal conditions for setting lap records. On the other hand, Jamie Green spent virtually every lap out front, so he was obviously going to set a quicker time.

As a comparison, anyone remember the 1990 Formula Ford Festival? Dave Coyne set the 15th fastest lap of the race, because his car lacked pace and he was having to spend virtually every lap defending like mad. No-one disputed that he thoroughly deserved to win and that a brilliant racer had got what his talent warranted. No-one argued that the 14 drivers who went quicker in the final better deserved to win than Coyne.

Same goes for Rossiter's fourth in Bahrain, IMO.

hmmmm · 14 Dec 2004, 08:09 (Ref:1178944)

how come though that he only went from 31st on the grid to 24th (I think or there abouts) in tthe first race.

JJ Jet Plane · 14 Dec 2004, 08:14 (Ref:1178945)

He went from 31st to 19th – but don't forget he only had eight laps to do it in.

I'm not an apologist for Rossiter, just stating that it is impossible to do quick lap times when you're running in traffic. And I also reckon you've got to give him credit for getting from 31st to fourth over two races – although there IS a suggestion that he jumped the final restart but didn't get spotted by the officials (unlike di Grassi).

Paul Rayner · 14 Dec 2004, 10:41 (Ref:1179058)

Quote:

Originally Posted by topgirl

I know Ive said it before but I will say it again because I truly believe that Rossiter is not the fantastic driver that people seem to think he is.... his whole attitude is wrong in my opinion-theres a difference between coming across well that you believe you are good and coming across as an arrogant big-head.

I'm curious to know how you know James? Yes he is confident, and my first impression when I met him 2 1/2 years ago was, I admit, that he was a bit big-headed and over-confident. He is confident, because he knows he's good, but then you've got to know that if you're actually going to be a quick driver.

To me though, my impression changed as I talked to him more, and James has since come across as a nice guy who loves racing. It's refreshing to talk to him instead of other drivers sometimes, especially after a wet race, because his enthusiasm really comes through and that's something that's sadly lacking from other drivers. Some may mistake this enthusiasm for over-confidence, but I don't think he is.

Rees · 14 Dec 2004, 13:42 (Ref:1179185)

For sure James is a good driver, and he seems to be in the right place now.
We tested in Nogaro in the end of October this year, it was nice besides the strange weather.

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