The fallout from this weekend thread - Page 2

SALEEN S7R · 18 Apr 2005, 20:01 (Ref:1281551)

Yes Indeed, the ACO should have waited and as u say Rob that is obvious to everyone now, well apart from the ACO perhaps.

Maybe they will learn for next year though...

TheNewBob · 18 Apr 2005, 20:06 (Ref:1281553)

I've just had a thought... Looking to Magny Cours now... the LNT TVR's will be in the FIA GT race... will they have to be in British GT spec or FIA spec? I imagine there are still differences, afterall the BGT cars in comparison were pretty dam quiet in round 1 (apart from LNT and the Ultima)...

SALEEN S7R · 18 Apr 2005, 20:12 (Ref:1281558)

Arent the British GT, GT2 cars running ACO spec regulations these days? I beleive they are, and that would therefore mean they are running to the same rules as the FIA GT series as the FIA GT series now runs to ACO regulations. Not sure about the GT3 class, but id imagine they run to the same regulations as of those in Spanish GT, FFSA etc.

Thinking about LNT - they have been knocked back by the ACO for LM, but I wonder, will they be at the Spa 24hrs? It is IMO the jewl in the crown of sportscar racing, but even if that view isnt shared widely I think we can all agree that the Spa 24hrs is the jewl in the crown of GT racing. Winning the Spa 24hrs overall is IMO a bigger achievement than a class win at LM. Not sure about a class win at Spa, but the GT2 entry should be that of one to rival the GT2 entry at LM, at least in terms of quality.

TheNewBob · 18 Apr 2005, 20:26 (Ref:1281567)

It's difficult to say. Having gone to British GT meetings, particularly in '04, could see the cars there, then some teams would enter the FIA meeting at the same circuit and the cars would be louder, as if there were some changes going on... I know BGT has always been partial to allsorts of different cars entering, so it kinda made me wonder...

cds_uk · 18 Apr 2005, 20:56 (Ref:1281590)

Not sure if this is right for this thread but can anyone confirm what happened to the works Courage yesterday, i know that JC whacked the pitlane wall on his way in which is a bit of cringer all round really, i was trying to convince myself it was not his fault as they where obviously struggling with the tyres in those conditions, next i heard he had to swerve to avoid a member of the Pesca crew who stepped back from working on a car just as JC arrived, nasty but a bit easier to explain, can anyone help me out here, thanks.

SALEEN S7R · 19 Apr 2005, 03:24 (Ref:1281772)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNewBob

It's difficult to say. Having gone to British GT meetings, particularly in '04, could see the cars there, then some teams would enter the FIA meeting at the same circuit and the cars would be louder, as if there were some changes going on... I know BGT has always been partial to allsorts of different cars entering, so it kinda made me wonder...

I THINK that the simple answer in relation to the noise issue u mention is down purley to noise restriction levels being differnt within the 2 series. The British GT series I beleive is subject to slightly differnt noise regulations than the FIA GT/LMES. The actual technical specifcations of the BGT/FIA GT/LMES cars are the same in terms of regulations I think.

**Bentley03** · 19 Apr 2005, 06:56 (Ref:1281830)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cds_uk

Not sure if this is right for this thread but can anyone confirm what happened to the works Courage yesterday, i know that JC whacked the pitlane wall on his way in which is a bit of cringer all round really, i was trying to convince myself it was not his fault as they where obviously struggling with the tyres in those conditions, next i heard he had to swerve to avoid a member of the Pesca crew who stepped back from working on a car just as JC arrived, nasty but a bit easier to explain, can anyone help me out here, thanks.

It happened pretty much as you heard it. The car was struggling with the Yokohama wets anyway but the pitlane accident occured when JC had to avoid a Pescarolo mechanic who strayed in front of him.

vandijk · 19 Apr 2005, 07:41 (Ref:1281860)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley03

It happened pretty much as you heard it. The car was struggling with the Yokohama wets anyway but the pitlane accident occured when JC had to avoid a Pescarolo mechanic who strayed in front of him.

Yes, this is what Vann said: link

**Bentley03** · 19 Apr 2005, 08:21 (Ref:1281876)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vandijk

Yes, this is what Vann said: link

To add to that Sander, I'm sure I read somewhere that the tub was holed and has been written off!

(And there's me dwelling on Creation's bad luck! Courage and Jota had worse!!)

Laurent · 19 Apr 2005, 11:12 (Ref:1281982)

The pitlane in Spa is very narrow. I was in the press room when the accident occured. I was watching carefully at the tyres the Pescarolo crew was puting on the car but I didn't pay any attention to the Courage coming back. And suddenly, I saw bodywork debris everywhere !!! One of the Zyteks arrived then and had to stop to avoid these debris... I've talked to Jonathan and also to some members of the Courage team. Jonathan really had to avoid the rear left wheel mechanic of the Pescarolo. He had no choice...

gwyllion · 19 Apr 2005, 11:29 (Ref:1281992)

In general it has been a very disappointing weekend for the Courage cars:
* the C60H had a very unlucky crash in the pit lane
* only 2 out of 6 customer C65 reached the finish in Spa (lots of technical problems) and Miracle Courage crashes in ALMS
* both in Spa and Road Atlanta Courage gets beaten in LMP2 by the new Lola

Foster · 19 Apr 2005, 11:47 (Ref:1282006)

You can also look at the good side for Courage, their new customer turned out a great performance with the new Mazda in the back.

gwyllion · 19 Apr 2005, 12:29 (Ref:1282035)

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Originally Posted by Foster

You can also look at the good side for Courage, their new customer turned out a great performance with the new Mazda in the back.

The speed of the Courage Mazda needs to improve. The Intersport Lola B05/40 AER did 108 laps (including change of alternator belt) and a fastest lap of 1:14.242, while the Courage Mazda only did 102 laps and a fastest lap of 1:19.768.

Both are new cars so there is still some room for improvement.

Foster · 19 Apr 2005, 16:06 (Ref:1282245)

Ohh, I didn't realize the times were that far off.

Did anybody get to hear the mazda in full song?
I recall Ralf saying something about it being the loudess car on track.
I can only assume that the ear bleeding was reported in as far a way as possible.

jhansen · 19 Apr 2005, 16:50 (Ref:1282282)

Good grief, the Mazda just came out of the box. Considering that they only really tested the car the week before the race, that is not a bad result at all. Much more to come from this car in my opinion.

Tim Northcutt · 19 Apr 2005, 17:55 (Ref:1282314)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhansen

Good grief, the Mazda just came out of the box. Considering that they only really tested the car the week before the race, that is not a bad result at all. Much more to come from this car in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more...

Can't wait until Mid-Ohio to hear it, and see it for myself!!!

SALEEN S7R · 19 Apr 2005, 19:13 (Ref:1282375)

Agreed, but will the car ever be on the pace of the Intersport car? Im not so sure myself even if the engine can be made to produce enough power there is no doubt in my mind that the team will be held back by the C65 chasis - at the moment the Lola is the car of choice to have IMO. If Courage can however produce a car to compete with the new Lola then things may change, or if the B-K guys purchase a Lola. Just thinking, Miracle are doing very well of late with the C65 chasis arent they, considering the drivers the team has, in comparissan to the Intersport car they arent that far off the pace, will be interesting to see if they can make inroads into the Intersport advantage as the season progress's, my opinion is that they wont, but will be interesting to find out.

Fogelhund · 19 Apr 2005, 21:13 (Ref:1282503)

Of course, we talk about the newness of the Courage/Mazda package, and that's both correct and relevant. But... the B05 is also a new package for Intersport, which of course one must assume will only get faster as both Lola and Intersport learn more about their car. One would expect more learing from Intersport, then from Miracle who have had the car for substantially longer....

Spiteful · 20 Apr 2005, 17:12 (Ref:1283171)

Everyone seems confident that with some development, the Mazda will produce plenty of power to take the fight to the top of p2, but I'm not. I thought rotor engines were much more affected by restrictors than piston engines, though I'm not sure what the rules are in this case. Also, they are reliable enough now, but will they be when track temps get hotter and they try to squeeze more hp out of the engine?

vandijk · 20 Apr 2005, 17:26 (Ref:1283183)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley03

To add to that Sander, I'm sure I read somewhere that the tub was holed and has been written off!

(And there's me dwelling on Creation's bad luck! Courage and Jota had worse!!)

You are right. That's what Vann initially said to the reporters of MotorsTV I believe.

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