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21 Jun 2005, 18:38 (Ref:1336274) | #1 | ||
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A report from French news agency AFP reveals that the FIA could order the seven Michelin-shod Formula 1 squads that boycotted last week's United States Grand Prix to pay a collective fine of circa $16 million, destined to refund the paying customers who attended the event at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. |
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21 Jun 2005, 18:49 (Ref:1336290) | #2 | ||
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The FIA should seriously think about what their own responsibilities are. They are the only ones to blame for the fiasco.
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21 Jun 2005, 18:55 (Ref:1336301) | #3 | |
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That would be nice. But as I posted in another thread, instead of a reimbursement Michelin should pay for a ticket to next year's Indy race for anyone with a ticket stub from Sunday. That would not only compensate the fans but also compensate the Speedway and insure fan support next year. It would also be a good PR move on Michelin's part; Michelin should offer to do it rather than be forced by the FIA. I can tell you right now that Michelin will lose a lot more than $16 million in tire sales unless they salvage this PR disaster.
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21 Jun 2005, 19:00 (Ref:1336309) | #4 | ||
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a) I don't think your solution is very good, cause if someone flew in from Greece (where I live) to see this GP he needed to pay $2,000-$3,000. I don't think he'd like to pay those again next year.
b) I don't think Michelin will lose so much money because of this. |
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21 Jun 2005, 19:17 (Ref:1336331) | #6 | ||
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GPWC Sounds pretty good right now doesnt it.
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21 Jun 2005, 19:31 (Ref:1336344) | #7 | |
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I understand that a new ticket will not compensate people for their out-of-pocket costs, but it would be impractical to do that. At least a new ticket would be a nice goodwill gesture that might encourage fans to come again next year. In other words, it's better than a simple reimbursement.
No matter what you think of the FIA, it was Michelin who ruined the weekend for the fans due to their failure to provide tires suitable for racing and for refusing to race in spite of their obligation. Let's give Michelin the benefit of the doubt and assume they pulled out purely for safety reasons: It was still the Michelin tire screw up that caused the show to not go on. So they did the right thing in pulling out, and now they should do the further right thing by compensating (a little) the fans who were cheated out of a proper race. |
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21 Jun 2005, 21:11 (Ref:1336458) | #8 | ||
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First of all, I think Michelin destroyed their teams and the FIA destroyed the GP. But anyway, that's being discussed elsewhere. So, I think they would have to give them free tickets to at least two gps to make up for the money they wasted.
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The trouble is that Michelin might not be making any warranties under the contracts to their teams about the safety, durability and fitness for purpose of the tyres because the tyres are cutting edge technology, etc. |
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22 Jun 2005, 00:18 (Ref:1336627) | #10 | ||
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First of all, saying they boycotted the race is inaccurate. They lined up on the grid and retired their cars for safety reasons. Solutions were proposed on both sides and no compromise was reached. The teams made a decision that is within the rules, so how can they be punished for it?
IMO the FIA attacking the teams is a mean spirited, politically motivated power play. If they want to pursue Michelin directly, fair enough, good luck to them. But what regulation can the FIA bring to bear on the teams? "They didn't do what we suggested because they disagreed with us" Can't see that holding up... |
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IMO, the FIA should also deal with Michelin under the Technical Regulations; it would surprise me if the Technical Regulations do not specify tyre details. |
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• failed to notify the stewards of their intention not to race, in breach of Article 131 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. Article 131 states: "The starting grid will be published four hours before the race. Any competitor whose car(s) is (are) unable to start for any reason whatsoever (or who has good reason to believe that their car(s) will not be ready to start) must inform the stewards accordingly at the earliest opportunity and, in any event, no later than 45 minutes before the start of the race.” Hmmm... seems dodgy to me. What did they expect the teams to do? Had they not been in almost constant communication all weekend that their cars were unsafe to race on advice from their supplier? Oh, but who cares? It's not the bloody point Max!! (btw, cheers Jeremy ) |
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The teams are not the race promoter so they are not responsable to refund anything in my book. You are welcome Jester
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22 Jun 2005, 02:42 (Ref:1336692) | #16 | |
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You cant really expect the FIA to go after Michelin. The teams contract with Michelin as a supplier of tires for their cars, but ultimatly it is there responsibility to have suitable tires on their cars. The tire companies really are only suppliers. If several teams used the same supplier for any other part, do you think the FIA would go after them? No, because it is the teams responsibility to ensure that they get proper equipment from their contracted suppliers, not the FIA's.
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The solution could be to offer those fans a ticket to any F1 race (2005 or 2006). The fans choice. That would do wonders to fan the flames.
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