Advantage V10?

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 14:02 (Ref:1490542)

MF1 have done tests to show that in its current state of tune a rev-limited V10 could have up to 100bhp more than the V8s.Here.

Obviously MF1 don't want to end up 11th at the end of 2006.

ASCII Man · 27 Dec 2005, 14:12 (Ref:1490547)

Squadra Torro Rosso for WCC?

BootsOntheSide · 27 Dec 2005, 14:48 (Ref:1490564)

The limit will be adjusted nearer to the start of the season if neccessary - and the V8s still hvae a lot of development to be done. Midland are just preparing their excuses in advance, and who can blame them?

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 16:23 (Ref:1490603)

Supposing STR realise they're on to a good thing.They sandbag in testing and show up at Bahrain with a car that is 1 second a lap quicker than anything else.

What will the FIA do if the full potential of the car isn't realised until qualifying or even the race?!

STR may score a victory that would be perfectly legal and possible.

Pingguest · 27 Dec 2005, 16:25 (Ref:1490604)

I won't be surprised if STR will have an advantage. The lazy behaviour of the FIA is really a disgrace to Formula 1.

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 16:36 (Ref:1490607)

Even if the power outputs were the same,torque and reliability would still be on the side of the V10s.

However,if the FIA reduce the revs much further they will put the V10 engine into an rpm zone at which it produces most vibration.Something STR won't be too happy with.

esorniloc · 27 Dec 2005, 17:02 (Ref:1490619)

Even if STR have a power advantage they have not got the chassis to match.

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 17:40 (Ref:1490640)

Quote:

Originally Posted by esorniloc

Even if STR have a power advantage they have not got the chassis to match.

We don't know that yet,and neither does anyone else.

maltafan · 27 Dec 2005, 17:59 (Ref:1490650)

And could Midland F1 use a limited v10 engine too, if they think it is better?

REALIST · 27 Dec 2005, 18:03 (Ref:1490651)

Quote:

Originally Posted by maltafan

And could Midland F1 use a limited v10 engine too, if they think it is better?

Couldn't everybody? And wouldn't Max then get what he always wanted?

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 20:00 (Ref:1490704)

Come the first race in Europe maybe other teams will have V10 cars in 2005 chassis ready to go,despite the fact that they clearly have access to V8 engines.

**Adam43** · 27 Dec 2005, 20:04 (Ref:1490706)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingguest

I won't be surprised if STR will have an advantage. The lazy behaviour of the FIA is really a disgrace to Formula 1.

The FIA can and will change the equivalency if needed and if more accurate information is available. They set the choice after a study, but accepted the situation may change. If they reacted to each comment on the matter then no doubt some (you probably!

) would say they are having knee-jerk reactions and the continued changing shows that they don't know what they are doing.

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 20:28 (Ref:1490719)

I have no doubt the engines will become equal(ish),my only doubt is what is regarded as equal by the FIA,STR and the other teams.Should they be regular backmarkers,midfielders or front runners?

I'm sure STR more than anyone would like to know just how fast it can run its engine before it gets to the first GP.

I must say that i am quite surprised that despite the fact the V10 runs at 16,500rpm and has a 77mm air restrictor,it still produces up to 100bhp more than a 2.4 V8!

**Adam43** · 27 Dec 2005, 20:36 (Ref:1490723)

Well this is the trouble will all equivalency formulas (see Sportscar, touring car etc... what is fair?). It is a means to an end, but clearly isn't ideal. However again the FIA would have been slated if it banned all V8s! It had to play safe. However due to some repetitive FIA bashing we aren't discussing the interesting part.

100bhp? How much lap time does that give a car. How much does it give when you take into account the benefits of a smaller V8?

Let's guess. Say we are losing 250bhp. What difference in lap time is that? 2.5s. So going from what MF1 say (50-100bhp - even they are quite vague) then is that 0.5 to 1s a lap? Well who knows there is too much simplicity and rounding to be too good here. Still the difference between coming last and winning it isn't.

Marbot · 27 Dec 2005, 20:51 (Ref:1490729)

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Still the difference between coming last and winning it isn't.

Maybe not,but i'm sure that the difference is probably worth a few million in prize money.

**Adam43** · 27 Dec 2005, 21:05 (Ref:1490733)

Although the difference isn't as large as between competing and not competing.

(If we are to continue along this manner as we aren't clever enough to know whether there is an advantage and how much it will be).

Marbot · 29 Dec 2005, 15:11 (Ref:1491449)

Toyota are also worried about the V10 regs.Here.

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