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No company can afford to take a thrashing year in and year out. So something has to give in the end. Also anybody who buys a road car based on F1 success is just plain stupid.
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It's not inconceivable that the 2008 grid will have Ferrari, Honda, McLaren-Mercedes, BMW-Sauber, the 2 Red Bull teams, Midland, Super Aguri, Prodrive, Penske and perhaps more private teams, which could prove interesting. As another angle on this question, have Ferrari and Honda sales suffered for their teams' poorer performances this year?
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I doubt if Ferrari or Honda sales have suffered one iota Boots.
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I guess these lack of Renault sales in Spain can only be attributed to one thing, the Spanish don't like Renault cars.
If you make ugly cars, or cars people just plain don't like, no matter how many times you win races, its not going to make those people buy your cars. In the UK we aren't terribly nationalistic about what cars we drive, you go to italy, and you see a lot more Fiat's & Alfa-Romeos, the same with France, lots of Citroens and Renaults, I haven't been to Germany recently so I can't comment on wether there are an overabundance of Wolkswagens and BMWs. Aside from seeing more Rovers around Birmingham than other parts of the country, there aren't many "British" cars around, however I suppose this has something to do with the fact that Britain no longer produces (m)any "British" brand cars in vast volumes. |
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As for Toyota... they feel that they are and probably are the greatest in the world and will help prove that with F1. In Aussie without Export discounts that Toyota & Holden have to use on their Corolla and Astra imports, Volkswagens, Renaults and Citreons are considerably more expensive and marketed as fancy "European" cars. My understanding is that in Europe VWs, Renault & Citreon are similar to Toyota, Ford and Opel in Europe.. true? So this Aussie market ploy is a major rip-off for silly customers who want a French car because they think it's better quality than a Corolla. |
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similar in price and specification that is...
& not so much better quality but they feel the Renault, Citreon or VW is a *cough* premium *cough* car. |
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The global financial situation for car sales is grim. The largest, GM and Ford are having problems in the states and when the board of Directors met it won't be for just a look at the US sales figures.
Unless returns in F1 are converted to car sales all the manufacturers will seriously consider the amount of investment. Ferrari are considering a shares sell off to generate monies, this would preclude any large payments to drivers and indicate a belt tightening operation within the F1 operation. Renaults involvement with Nissan, the downturn in Japanese finace all contribute to a reduction in motor sport. The enforcced reduction within the European circuits of tobacco advertising is already indicating that circuits need to revise and reorganise the number of races, Hochenhiem and Nurbergring to share, the future of Spa all contribute to a reductions in investments. B.E., for all his supposed faults, has been arguing for a reduction in drivers fees, the movement to Asian tracks where tobacco advertising is still allowed to maintain the flow of cash into F1. There are a lot of indicators as to the diminishing returns from F1 and all the participants are more than aware of the need to stabilise their positions. All a matter of wait and see. hardly, too much at risk and too many people with fingers in the pie to allow the whole thing to slide away. The major players need to control their own destiny and that will have the greatest effect and could see a rationalisation of the whole sport. |
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