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24 Mar 2006, 20:19 (Ref:1559889) | #26 | |||
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This will interest you. Irvin Zwicker, who was chief crew on the Invaders that started this thread, told me today that: Quote:
Allen PS I forgot to mention that I'd found an advert for Crompton's 802 late 1982 so it can't be his car. |
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So here's an update:
802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981 802-2 Ron Dennis 1980 802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981 802-4 works 1980 - loaned to Japan 1981 802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981 802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981 - Van Rooyen, Charlton, Goddard ... tub used to repair 802-7 mid '84. 802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed). 802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986 802-9 Japan 1980 802-10 Japan 1980 802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2) 802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981 802-13 Project Four Racing 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken 1982 - Lou Infante (Can-Am) 1982 - Jerry Molnar 1983-84 ... NZ 2006 802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980 802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982 802-16 Ron Dennis 1980 802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006 802-18 Ron Dennis 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken (Can-Am) 1982-83 802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982 802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981 802-21 Japan 1980 802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981 - Andy Barton 1982-1984 (as AC 3000ME GT car) - Bill Paul 1985-86 802-23 Japan 1980 802-24 Crompton 1980-1981 802-25 Lane 1980-1981 - Roger Philpott 1981-82 Odd that 802-16 vanishes so early. French hillclimbs perhaps? Or a large crash in 1980 that I haven't spotted yet? What varied lives these cars led: hillclimbs, Can-Am, South African F/Atlantic, Japanese F/Pacific, Interserie and even GTs. Allen |
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27 Mar 2006, 09:42 (Ref:1562122) | #30 | ||
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So Dennis had 6 802s, blimey, I know he had de Crasheris that year, but thats a lot of cars !
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19 Jul 2006, 07:47 (Ref:1659747) | #31 | ||
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Any thoughts on the likely origin of Gene Griesel's March 802 in ECAR Atlantic races in the US in 1985? It could be an 80A, but I'm surprised by the different description as there were other 80As running in that series, so identified.
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802-6 came back to Uk via Brannigan ( he brought back 2 832 cars as well form ZA 1 becamea GT car the other ran with mazda in libre then converted to F2 engine) hillclimbed in Uk then did 2 circuit races and sold to a road car trader in a part ex deal who then sold it to a racer who took the bmw for his sports car
chassis ended up in goodwood auction and bought by a non racer but he has fitted f2 bmw to the car Andy Bartons 802 was the AC3000 Gt car sold to the hotelier then it went to Ron Cummins and not used since Roy woodhouse car is 822 ian sheckter car from ZA 802-12 is in UK restored3 years ago and has empty engine gbox on it and been sold to a car owner ( may be on display in Brooklands museum? ) who had it for sale via Jester racing last year the kiwi 802 is expensive for what it is needing full rebuild and with no real sereis to race these great cars in they are hard to justify owning ( i know a si have 1 as well ! ) UK HSCC cut off at 79 EEC F2 at 78 Oz have opened up to 85 and usa are really at 1980 cut off but do relax the rules for the odd entry to run |
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25 Oct 2006, 22:25 (Ref:1749441) | #33 | |
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I've recently purchased the 802-3. I beleive it was living in Japan for the last 26 years. but I have no other history, although I beleive it was last driven by Hoshino. Does anyone have any more info on this car or photos. It would be highly appreciated.
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25 Oct 2006, 22:34 (Ref:1749446) | #34 | |
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Welcome to the site Nick!
We'll have plenty of photos after your first race!! |
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25 Oct 2006, 22:57 (Ref:1749458) | #35 | ||
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Nick,
From the March works records :- 802-3 March Racing (works) Prototype/Test Car Sold to Le Mans Co. (March Japanese agent) Delivered 19 Dec 1979 Colour Red/White Monocoque No. 802 M1 Hope this helps. |
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25 Oct 2006, 23:08 (Ref:1749462) | #36 | |
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I will get my man to find photos of Hoshino in the car
what livery is on the car now? did u get it as a roller or with bimmer fitted |
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2 Nov 2006, 04:29 (Ref:1755865) | #37 | |
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Driftwood,
That would be great to get a few photos. It came as a roller and we've looked but can't find a good BMW motor for a decent price so I'll put a BDG in it. If you have them in digitals you can send them to me at nickg@collisionplus.com. THis site is great, thanks everyone! |
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2 Nov 2006, 07:34 (Ref:1755937) | #38 | |
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willask my man to find photos for u
putting BDG into car is sacrilege like sticking a chevy into a ferrari They are all the same cost to buy run rebuild and maintain The Bimmer is far better motor and it will drop straight into the car When you go to fit the ford you will need to make new mounts brackets drill holes make new water oil lines rewire etc that will cost extra $$ and time when you come to sell the car you will have a mongrel These cars are not yet Hisoric but they should be -USA mono 70 and UK HSCC DBT are still stuck in the dark ages with cut off date at 1979 its been way too long at this and they should all move forward to 1985 like the Australians have done |
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3 Nov 2006, 05:09 (Ref:1756794) | #39 | |
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Driftwood,
I agree with everything you said and was very concerned about the conversion and the mongrel moniker. But I have had no luck in finding a BMW engine. It seemed to me that there must be some of them around but it has not shown much promise. Suggestions? THanks for the guidance and any photos will be of great value to me. Nick |
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4 May 2007, 08:14 (Ref:1906342) | #40 | |||
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Checking the Black Books, F1R have it was the De Cesaris car, right up to his Misano win. So I'd guess it was actually wrecked by De C at some point and F1R have extrapolated. Allen Last edited by allenbrown; 4 May 2007 at 08:17. |
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5 May 2007, 12:36 (Ref:1907092) | #41 | |
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when did de crasharis not write a car off?
there is a P4 march in NZ for sale at la la money cant recall the number |
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21 May 2007, 03:07 (Ref:1917602) | #42 | |
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my father has a can-am car that is believe to be a 802, it has no i.d. plate and is running a Mazda 13B rotary, we got the car from Japan in a bunch of crates and it used to be blue. the car currently resides in southern california and we know of one that is very simular in the pacific north west. Anyone have any idea of the history of this car? or perhaps the series it ran in?
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21 May 2007, 08:07 (Ref:1917718) | #43 | ||
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I think we'll need a few more clues. Could you post some pictures? (or send them to me at allen@allenbrown.co.uk and I'll post them)
Pictures of the bodywork and of the bare chassis would be helpful. |
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22 May 2007, 08:06 (Ref:1918538) | #45 | ||
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That's a fine looking car. The bodywork is quite different to anything that I've seen in the US Can-Am series.
Quite a few 802s went to Japan. You need to find the tub number and then we can look that up in March records and find out which chassis it was. The problem is that I don't know where to find the tub number on a 802. Anyone?? |
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That's just the thing. The I.D. plates are missing for some odd reason. There is another car that is very much like this one, also an 802, in Washington. My father has spoken to the people over at March and it being an 802 is pretty much as far as we've narrowed it down to. What cars that went to Japan are totally unaccounted for? This car was sitting in Vallejo Califonia for several years before we bought it.
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23 May 2007, 06:50 (Ref:1919283) | #47 | ||
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A March has two numbers, one on a chassis plate and one (tub number) stamped onto the tub. Although the chassis plate can be removed, the stamped number would have to be ground off and it is highly unusual for that to happen. So that tub number will still be on the car somewhere.
Until 1978 it was found underneath the rollover hoop but then the construction methods changed and I don't know where it is on an 802. Also, bear in mind the numbers are different. March 802-3 was built on tub M802/1 for example. If you can find the tub number, we have to use March records to work backwards and find out the number that would have been on that missing chassis plate. Four 802s went to Japan in 1980 and another three followed in 1981. |
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23 May 2007, 08:53 (Ref:1919368) | #48 | |
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The car is a car that raced in the Grand champion series
they where F2 cars with mooncraft bodies the fact that this now has mazda fitted may mean it later ran in another domestic series I will end the fotos and info to my japanese race fan It would be useful to know who bought the car from japan and took to usa a sthat may tie back i will warn u it is hard to get minor details form these guys unless u have exact names team names etc They are not intereste din old race cars and info is hard to come by If 1 man ha sanswers they willnot call a team or mechanic to ask if they do not know them Very strict cultural thing- we are probably too informal hence these threads i doubt the japanese will have threads like this In usa there was 1 can am 802 car 1 822 allegedly a 2nd 822 car but i think its not true then i recall 2 832 cars am i correct allen? |
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23 May 2007, 09:31 (Ref:1919403) | #49 | ||
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In US Can-Am there were two or three 802s, one 812, one or two 822s, about 2 832s, etc, etc.
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Were any of these cars sold to the US from new as 2-Litre CanAms, or imported after a season or 2 of F2 over here. I seem to recall about 1981 there was some talk of March and Toleman/Lola selling 'new' F2s as such to the States.
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