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so, they want people to stop doing exactly what they are cause that's not fair...
perfect french logic. except they're german |
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Mercedes threaten to pull out of F3 - story avaliable at autosport.com
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I agree with you Gaz 100%, and I am ashamed by Haug's threats. Because of AMG Mercedes entry, because of money they've pumped into F3 (inc. R&D and contracted drivers) he shouldn't be the one addressing the problem. Let's not forget Opel, which had two development teams (in Formel 3) and number of entries. They're engines were brilliant, until Merc turned up... and they've puled out. Rest is history.
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Maybe they do not want the costs to soar... more with real competition. WOW, I wonder, what they're gonna do if VW start winning races, bet put more money into R&D.
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Isn't there an expression about the pot calling the kettle black? In this case rather a large pot.
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Mercedes F3 engine rumblings!
I've moved relevant posts from the 2 F3 threads to keep those 2 threads discussing the racing (Euroseries) and testing news (British) respectively.
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i hope not. their driver support programme has been helpful for a number of drivers, and although i'm sure some would argue their presence has been unwanted they have supported f3 in europe and the uk.
i do wonder whether a freeze on engine development as i'm sure some cost cutters advocate would render the formula less attractive to manufacturers though. |
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history is history.
given the choice of no manufacturer support in the european series in favour of greater fields due to affordability or manufacturer interest in both drivers and the formula the latter has to be far preferable for the health of f3. every series can't be at the price of formula ford. i think it's commendable that mercedes and volkswagen prefer to put their engines into direct competition with each other rather than renault and bmw who play in their own playpen. anyway, in the scheme of things engine investment pales into insignificance when you look at what some teams spend on extras like wind tunnel time. that figure for some teams alone could go a long way towards the budget of an extra driver. |
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Ok Merc worried its getting too expensive - fine lets have S2000 regs - oh no you won't be competitive...
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quite. for once, i agree with you sam...
what is it, any publicity is good publicity? maybe they were getting stroppy with vw hogging the headlines |
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Mercedes claim that they want to use F3 as a springboard for young drivers, but that's what Volkswagen claim to be doing as well, albeit on the way to Audi.
It's a very sad tantrum to throw because motorsport is supposed to be about competition, be it drivers, chassis or engines. They wouldn't be complaining if the VW engine was a complete dog but they were spending more money on it. Its all about trying to get as much success (and probably money) whilst spending as little as possible... |
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