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P2 cars with spare parts for start up, $2 million and running a full ALMS P2 season $2 to $4 million. So what? looking a $4 to $6 milion for the first year? That may be why GARR is popular, teams can get started and run a DP for the first your for $2 to $4 million. Should IMSA and ALMS allow GARR DPs to run in LMP2, just to get the more cars on the grid? |
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The GT2-engines for P2 from 2011 are a good start, but IMO they should make the cars much simpler on the chassis-side as well. |
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Who and were are all the LMP2 chassies built?
Having them built in the US would make it much easier for ALMS teams. |
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You will find that running costs are not appreciably different between Grand Am and ALMS.
I am not sure what ideas the ALMS would entertain, if you see Audi drop out, leaving somewhere in the 16-20 cars entries for most of the season. I might suggest that IMSA lites, or a GT3 category would be added first. |
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And then there's no proper GT3-series in the US right now, wouldn't it be easier to just take over the SWC-rules? But then again, are SWC-cars layed out for endurance racing? |
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We know the RS Spyder and the associated package is far more expensive than even the Lola Coupe, nevermind the Pescarolo P2 which has scored numerous podium places in the LMS this season. Even if you can afford an RS Spyder, can you afford the best tyre package, drivers, testing, new engines each event etc.? In the LMS Dyson would be the biggest, best financed, P2 team, yet in the ALMS Penske and the Acura teams were all better off. LMS team RML are competitive with a Lola chassis and amateur (much improved) driver, the Pescarola P2 is arguably not upto the Lola's pace, but in that case a young, pro driving team, can put the car on the pace. If you remove factory backed teams, run one engine per season etc., by 2011 you could have GT, LMP Lights etc. teams eyeing up a P2 entry, particularly if Dyson move to P1 with the Mazda package. Last edited by JAG; 28 Nov 2008 at 20:49. |
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One engine per weekend, not per season. One engine per season with how many rebuilds?
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Even Dyson ran different spec, more durable engines, and they are as good as privateer's get. Without factory teams, and more durable chassis/engines, smaller teams can run to tighter budgets, and still be relatively competitive, much like the LMS today. |
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The latest press release by ACO contains a tiny bit more information about the 2011 rules: http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans...presse1_gb.pdf
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3.4L was news in September. But it isn't any less depressing now. Most depressing part is the target hp figure.
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11 Jun 2009, 15:05 (Ref:2480146) | #365 | |
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Btw max cylinders are not mentioned in that PDF, unlike in the previous PDF releases. Not that this would necessarily mean anything.
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I had sort of hoped they'd end up changing the rules less drastically than originally planned, just as with the Evo rules... those small engines and low hp figures are really depressing, I hope manufacturers can find creative solutions to bring back >600hp engines... I mean, if I'm not mistaken, the new LMP1 will basically be current LMP2 with increased weight and smaller fuel tanks?
Also, wouldn't that give Porsche the best starting position with their current vastly superior LMP2 package? I'd love to see them back in LMP1 but not like this... |
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The 2011 cars will be like the P2 RS Spyder in it's ultimate 2008 ALMS configeration, but at 900kg.
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11 Jun 2009, 16:37 (Ref:2480193) | #370 | ||
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The LMP2 engine bit is fine ... the problem is that they are coupling that with fat suits.
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It is going to be very interesting to see how the ACO is going to keep the P1 engines at 520 hp with ongoing development by the engine manufacturers.
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520bhp is the current headline figure for P2, it doesn't have a real bearing on reality, just as diesels supposedly have 650bhp.
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At the end of june, ACO and manifacturers will meet, to concord the future rules. ACO would discuss about future rules with teams, to find a good accord between the parts.
Not just like the FIA. Here the link to an interesting new: http://www.stopandgo.tv/news/enduran...-mans-/en.html I don't agree with how is affirmed in the new, because too much manifacturers would destroy private teams... |
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Is 900 Kilo confirmed for P1 2011 ? I have never really understood why P1 has such a high minimum weight, if anything it should be the reverse of the current set up between P1 and P2. It would not need any special engineering effort to get a 3.4 litre engined sportscar down to something like 750 kilo. The XJR-14 required ballast to make the 750 kilo limit which was of course a closed roof car complete with the mandatory beefy roll cage and that was almost twenty years ago. The top prototype category should have fast cars which will be unlikely with a 520 hp 900 kilo slug.
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