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TC's 14 Point Plan
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The other, longer article is Here The short one has been reproduced in its entirety here, as things as controversial as this may disappear if some things are not achieved Quote:
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Interesting, maybe they should just buy all Commodores from one builder and Falcons from another all built to the same spec, I mean that seems to be where this is heading.
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it's not going to be touring cars, i mean how can it be when all the cars are the same. i think 2012> will spell the end of Supercars. doing this isn't going to make Toyota, Nissan or any other manufactuer join. i think it will be a snooze fest.
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Let us see, 2000klm per engine, at 1x100 + 1x200klm race per weekend that adds up to approx 3+ rounds per engine currently, they want to go to the equivalent 4xbathursts per engine.
that is about as believable as 275's romantic dalliance with a croc.......not. |
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Its not like the engine is complete junk after 2,000km either... a rebuild at ~$35k brings it back to square... at its 4,000km service its likely more again depending how much of the original hardware needs replacing.
Ask the teams if they want to show up at Bathurst with an 8,000km ready engine, that has 6,500km on the clock already.... Madness.. |
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Great the catagory is going to step backwards and run away, why not have production cars for the top game. Its the national series, the cars should be the fastest in the country, Supercars should be allowed more freedoms so they are the faster then sports sedans. They are boring enough as it is lately, now go and put a bunch of control components in. As for brake discs is he serious???? thats a safety issue not a performance issue. I wouldnt want to run around with rotors that are showing signs of aging.
As for the engine why not allow larger capacity then rev limited to 7k 6 litre would get some good miles compared to these little 5L engines. I think its time to move the series on and head more towards a DTM style car but with a very similar silhouette to a current supercar. |
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More interesting stuff suggesting it is Mr Skaife talking to car manufacturers on behalf of VESA....
But also.. that VESA will overtake NRL, to be this country's second most popular sport Aspirational goals are important... but not to the point of delusion! |
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Gee certainly a change of attitude from they "we don't need another manufacturer" rhetoric of years gone by.
One thing caught my eye with this "Moves to split the racing calendar into two phases in 2010, with a mid-year break from July to September to avoid clashes with AFL and NRL finals matches" Just what the sport needs a period of three months where there is no V8's on tv. I would have though if Cochrane and co want to compete with League then they should tackle them head on on do more races during the middle of the year not have a silly break. |
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If someone went and did Sports Sedans with a Supercar budget, I'm sure you'd get a Sports Sedan quicker than the current bunch... One thing a lot of people around here seem to forget about the whole Supercar rule book is that it is a parity formula. If you go doing stupid things with the rules allowing in massive amounts of expense in areas of development, the competition will die because it will be lop sided and the teams will be broke. I'm sure what they are trying to do is keep/improve the show with the current look and feel of the cars, while at the same time taking the expense away from trivial things. If Joe Punter in the stands can pick the difference in the cars as they go past because of control axle housings, cooling system, airbox etc, they are deadset legends. |
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I don't think the average fans could care less about the latest 888 fuel system, so making that control is no issue.
Control wheel could cut costs, back to the good old traditional 5-spoke look. 8000 km engine is interesting. Perhaps it will be a 6 litre. Homologated suspension is interesting. Do any teams currently run different suspension geometry at Winton when compared to Phillip Island!? Control radiator and airbox. Who cares? If it saves hundred thousand dollar wind tunnel trips to optimise the airbox then that's a good thing. Defined centre of gravity? Will that just make teams bolt ballast somewhere high up on the rollcage? Fibreglass bonnet will make a mess in a nose to tail collision, I suppose it is cheaper. They could add some vents to get that whole ricer look... |
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So V8s are going to be NSW's number 1 sport in 3 years. And how many people turned up to last year's Eastern Creek round, 2 men and a dog as I recall. The only area that V8SC seems to be challenging the NRL in is in off the park politics.
With Commodore and Falcon now accounting for only 12% of sales and a lot of that is fleet and government, V8s are becoming less and less relevant to the market place. The other top 10 brands predominately sell 4 cylinder DOHC cars, so why would they be interested in pushrod V8s. How many times have Toyota said 'not interested'. But if Australia was to move to a 4 cylinder based formula, may be a different story. For everything that was wrong with Group A and 2 litre racing at least it did have variety. As new cars were developed the boundaries of engineering and reliability were pushed, not something that is likely in the proposed format. |
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Such an article is laughable, untill you see the source, the sort of rubbish expected from Phelps and The Telegraph.
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F1 is the most popular form of motorsport in the world, and F1 cars are massively irrelevant to absolutely everything on the road. The number one type of motorsport in North Americia is Nascar, and those rigs don't look anything like the road cars they are supposed to represent, and North Americans are driving a lot of small cars these days... Racing with 4 cylinders has tried and failed. Even though people might be driving 4 cylinders, punters still aspire to have a V8. If people are happy with their Hyundai Excel, then good for them With respect to overtaking the NRL in terms of popularity, would they be going off total attendances? I'm not saying that is right or wrong, but as far as national popularity, nationwide sports should always come out on top, AFL, cricket etc. And they are right, does anyone care about Rugby any more? Consistent free to air coverage seems to be quite important. One bit I do find interesting is the mid season break. Wasn't there a school of thought that the scheduling needs to be consistent, with equal breaks between events? Is there a possibility that people will fall off the bandwagon if there is a mid year holiday? |
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wonder what happened to good old Ray Kershler. The Telegraphs expert on Bowls, Sailing, Motor Racing etc
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Why should the cars be the fastest in the country? It is the quality of the racing that matters, who cars what times they lap the circuit in? Why does it matter? Would you rather watch a warp speed procession, or a slower pace with actual actual dicing and proper racing? The Utes or the Biante Series aren't the quickest cars around, but there is no doubting the good racing they put on. Touring cars have been the 'top game' national series in Australia beyond doubt since the late 60s/early 70s, and they have never been the fastest cars on a race track in the country. |
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See McNamara is questioning Nissan's ability to commit after the termination of the pace car deal. Bit rich after Holden significantly reduced its commitment to the series this year.
Nissan has a policy of not permitting alcohol sponsorship of its motor sport activities. So it was the deal V8SC did with CUB that brought the contract to an early termination. And Nissan did make a significant commitment to motorsport in Australia in the Group C and Group A days until they were forced out by the V8 formula. |
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